It's no secret that Toyota and Honda are probably the most reliable and dependable vehicles on the market today. But before Toyota and Honda came along, who held the moniker as the most reliable and dependable vehicles on the market? What models were the "Accord/Camry, Civic/Corolla, RAV4/CRV" of its day?
And along with that, what car make or car model were the FCA's during that same era?
Man hard to say. Back in the day not many people put more that 5-8k miles a year on there cars so they seemed basically reliable for 5 years then everybody bought new because it was affordable for most. Today people are pounding on miles per year and driving like maniacs. My father was a big Pontiac guy and the only time we ever go stuck was when the auto trans shifter got stuck. Otherwise great cars.
VW's used to be very reliable.
Probably GM. 50’s and 60’s Chevy’s I hear were great!
Until the gas crunch in the 70’s, the Chevy/gm small block was the gold standard. Reliable as h*ll. Also, the electronics were much simpler, and rust was often the limiting factor in longevity (metallurgy and paints were not good back then).
When the gas crunch hit, the Japanese manufacturers, whose quality was ok but not great, had small cars that were ready to go. The American big 3 had to cut corners to compete... and the rest is history.
For European cars, Volvo was pretty bomber. But back then, as today, the British, French, and Italian cars were sketchy.
*nods*
Not sure what you mean by "before Toyota came along". They've been making cars for a century now. Can you give a year?
Let’s go from when they were able to sell en masse in the United States. It started around 1966 with the Toyota Corona. And for Honda with the Civic in 1973.
Honda started building cars in the US in 1979 with Toyota soon to follow.
So perhaps the mid sixties to mid-late seventies would be a good range.
that's before my time
When does your time begin?
the year of the first space shuttle mission
During that era, had Toyota and Honda already established themselves as reliable brands? If not, who were the most reliable of that era?
I didn't see a lot of them. Actually... boy do I have a treat for you. Hang on a sec I have to find it ....
This is a video I found on the internet. It's live footage of somebody driving through my city (town back then) in 1988. This was one year before we moved there, but you can get a good sense of what people were driving back then (and listening to on the radio). I always love re-watching this.
(it gets a little busier around the 5 minute mark)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkesuk-AJuQ
by the way, it looks like they're driving a Ford Econoline (which we also owned)
Haha. Old school.
Hey wheres the Vancouver commute traffic?
you're looking at it. St Johns St is a feeder route for people heading into the city. Vancouver had 1.5M people back then. There WAS no traffic! It was a backwater.
if you filmed the same place now, you would be surrounded by high rises.
Kaizen, that is a really interesting question. It would be neat if Scotty did a video on that one.
Both my folks had Mercedes back in the 80s. Both had diesel engines and they drove them for years without any problems. My father also drove a first generation Nissan Pathfinder. It was built solid. No issues.
My mom had a 1983 Subaru wagon, it had rust hold at about 8 years old! But I remember it had the spare tire over the engine and it was a manual transmission, that had some sort of locking mechanism that prevented the car from rolling backwards if you were starting off on a hill. Loaded with chrome, manual windows, no A/C. I wanted that car for when I got my license someday, but I was only around 4 when my parents sold it, because of problems.
My dad had a 1987 Ford Ranger long bed, with the 2.9 v6 and 5-speed XLT 2wd. The quality seemed a little better than the Subaru, at least in certain areas. I miss the retro looking metal dashboard, with the chrome and burlwood! 😆 and the two tone (silver and black) steel wheels with beauty rings... But it always had a lifter tick upon startup when cold out. I sold that truck in 2008, with about 185,000 miles. The only major repair was a new clutch.
The crazy thing is, that was in the days on conventional oil. My dad always used Castrol GTX 10w30 and a Fram filter. I almost always used Castrol High Mileage and a Motorcraft filter. But we only changed the oil every 6,000 miles or so. And when I changed the valve cover gaskets around 120,000 miles, there was a lot of carbon! 😆 But it still ran!
Surprisingly some of the most reliable cars in the 1960s and 1970s came from none other than Chrysler, particularly the Plymouth Valiant and Dodge Dart compacts. If you managed to keep the rust away the combination of the near bulletproof Slant-Six or small V8 combined with the best-in-class Torqueflite automatic transmission (or standard trans) was practically unkillable.
I agree! You couldn't kill the Valiants or Darts. 318's were built tough. Although in the '70s we had a saying that if you owned a Chrysler product you carried an extra ballast resistor, long screwdriver so that you could jump your starter solenoid and an extra universal joint in the glove box. Other than that it was all good.
Look at them now though. How the mighty have fallen.
Before Honda and Toyota cars ever came to existence, before the late 60’s and early 70’s, what were the “Toyota” and “Honda” of their time?
What brands were known for quality, reliability, and low maintenance?
You asked this back in March. (Topics merged.)
Omg. Thanks!
I'm surprised that I remembered but it kept nagging me in back of my head. Took a while to search for the previous post, but here it is.
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I just merged the topics rather than delete the new one since it has been long enough that new users we didn't have back then might want to chime in.
Holy post revival!
You really ought to search your own history before posting, Kaizen. I don't think this is the 1st time you've "forgotten" answers we already gave you.