Hello Scotty,
I have a 2016 Dodge Challenger SXT 3.6L VVT Pentastar engine and am thinking about getting a supercharger for it. I am currently looking at both Pro-Charger and The Ripp SuperCharger. Which one out of the two would you think would be the best for my muscle car? Or if not either one of these.. What other brand would you personally recommend for my car? Thanks Scotty, you're the best! 😉
Sincerely,
DrWho...
none. The Pentastar is already a troubled engine. I wouldn't push it.
Either one will be a fine way to destroy your engine.
If that is the case sir.. Then why are these companies still in business and still selling these in masses?
Because, sir, there are people for whom ~300 horsepower is "not enough" and who are more concerned with driving like maniacs on the public roads than they are with long-term engine life. However this forum is primarily focused on extending vehicle life to 200,000, 300,000, even 400,000 miles or more whenever possible rather than squeezing out higher levels of power and performance to the detriment of that goal.
Sell it and get a v8. Or swap it if you can find one in the junk yard.
I think Bob is right here. Unless you have sentimental attachment to the current car for some reason, the best and most reliable way to get a forced induction motor on a Challenger is to trade in the current car for a Hellcat (supercharged 6.2 hemi V8). Not that a used Hellcat Challenger will be a reliable grocery-getter, but it will be light years more reliable than installing forced induction on a pentastar 6.
agreed, you explained it much better than I could
I had posted this thread for Scotty Kilmer to find and read and ask his advise on which particular Supercharger would he recommend out of the two presented here or another brand
Scotty may or may not respond personally, that is up to him. He picks a handful to answer personally each day and the rest are answered by the community.
So if I want to improve from the standard 305 HP at the crank to 450 HP at the wheel by adding a supercharger and other drive train components.. Then why is that a bad thing for me then?
It's a bad thing for longest engine and vehicle life which is what this forum is primarily about. For the most part we don't get into performance modifications or hot rods here. About all I can suggest is wait to see if Scotty picks up on and answers your question, or possibly someone else here would know. Other than that the answer you want will most likely be found in a performance-oriented forum where people have direct experience with the modifications you are interested in.
Hello Scotty,
I have a 2016 Dodge Challenger SXT 3.6L VVT Pentastar engine and am thinking about getting a supercharger for it. I am currently looking at both Pro-Charger and The Ripp SuperCharger. Which one out of the two would you think would be the best for my muscle car? Or if not either one of these.. What other brand would you personally recommend for my car?
You can't simply throw a supercharger onto an engine anymore. The engine's architecture has to be different (ordinary fuel injection engines typically use Mass Air Flow Sensors (MAF sensors). To get the supercharger to run properly, you need to convert from a MAF to a MAP sensor (Manifold Air Pressure. If the engine wasn't built from the factory to be equipped with a supercharger, it will wear the engine out a lot faster. Stick to the factory setup.
If that is the case sir.. Then why are these companies still in business and still selling these in masses?
One can sell superchargers all they want, they're not affiliated with Chrysler. There are most likely disclaimers saying, use at your own risk, and if your engine breaks down, they won't warranty one if it didn't come from the factory with a supercharger.
Turbocharging and supercharging are very different animals. Turbos don't move at idle, with a warmed up engine, and there's a slight delay going from low to high RPMs in order to spool up the turbo. The engine must be somewhat built to handle extra pressure, or will wear out quickly.
Superchargers are totally different. Any time the engine is running the supercharger is always squeezing more air into the cylinders than a naturally aspirated engine can.
How so? I have read nothing but good reviews on the Pentastar 3.6L VVT engine and it's reliability
Whoever says that is being paid. I have a piston from a 3.6L Pentastar V6 that I found in the junkyard. It was from a 2010 Dodge Journey, and it lasted until sometime in 2020. A head assembly had cracked. I cleaned it up, plated it and it's now in my garage.
these companies make them for the reason of those wanting to mod their cars just like they did back in the late 60' and 70'.
That was in the era of carburetors. Carburetor cars were basically gigantic lawn mowers, and you needed a really big engine to have a lot of horsepower -not so, today. Your 3.6L naturally aspirated engine has around the equivalent horsepower of a small block V8 from back then, the only real difference is torque (the force pressing you back into your seat). Supercharged V8s with GDI can achieve upwards of 1,000 horsepower from the factory -the Douglas Devastator torpedo bomber from WWII had a 14-cylinder engine and put out only 900 horsepower.
You could rig just about anything up back in those days, as long as the motor mounts and transmission mounts were the same -not so today. Everything is computerized nowadays. Transmissions are made to exacting specifications these days and they're not really made to accommodate a 50% increase in horsepower and torque. You'll wear the transmission out faster.
I had posted this thread for Scotty Kilmer to find and read and ask his advise
Here it is
https://youtu.be/EbbvZIzg35w?t=544
none. The Pentastar is already a troubled engine. I wouldn't push it.
How so? I have read nothing but good reviews on the Pentastar 3.6L VVT engine and it's reliability. So how is it a troubled engine sir?
reviews from paid reviewers no doubt. Pentastar production was taken over by Fiat, and they are well known for cylinder head issues and oil leaks. I've run into too many Jeep guys with engine problems.
And of course there are plenty of posts you can find on this forum that illustrate this. Transmissions aren't great either.
Here's one with 10k
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2vOdiIeoFuoc/
https://carkiller.com/scottykilmer/qa/charger-srt-vs-sxt-vs-se-durability/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCvKDr7DYYE&t=702s
Either one will be a fine way to destroy your engine.
If that is the case sir.. Then why are these companies still in business and still selling these in masses? They surely would be in and out of court on numerous law suits and be sued out of existence if their products didn't work as designed! And they countlessly say if their products are not installed properly that they would result in a damaged engine. So I would assume that installing such said products have to be followed to the tee per instructions to safegard such things and the safety of the engine in quesion.
the same way GM is still in business
Because, sir, there are people for whom ~300 horsepower is "not enough" and who are more concerned with driving like maniacs on the public roads than they are with long-term engine life. However this forum is primarily focused on extending vehicle life to 200,000, 300,000, even 400,000 miles or more whenever possible rather than squeezing out higher levels of power and performance to the detriment of that goal.
Well in my particular case I wanted to build up my car to what I wanted for my scenario here since I'm most certainly paying the price for it. Just like in the good old days of muscle cars people then wasn't concerned about keeping it standard as they wanted to sup-up their cars to be according to the term then.. Hotrods or the term "Muscle Cars" and is why those cars made an impact and memories in those days. Today isn't any different as there are many people out there today that do just that with their cars just like they did then! So I do not think giving that example as was stated in the original title of this thread here is any different. I had posted this thread for Scotty Kilmer to find and read and ask his advise on which particular Supercharger would he recommend out of the two presented here or another brand as these companies make them for the reason of those wanting to mod their cars just like they did back in the late 60' and 70'. What is the point of buying a car and keeping it factory stock and accepting their limitations if one wants to make it something they want if they are putting the money into it just like back then?! The whole idea is for one to modify and build up their car the way the want it to. I respect your views on what you said and all... But I have waited many, many years now to get a Dodge Challenger and thought it would be cool to build up the car with the 3.6L pentastar in it as other have successfully done and are satisfied with as well. So if I want to improve from the standard 305 HP at the crank to 450 HP at the wheel by adding a supercharger and other drive train components.. Then why is that a bad thing for me then? I want to build my car the way I want it. I am not looking to run it to death mind you! I simply just would like to have a little extra horse power when I want to let some loose every once in awhile. I am not trying to build something to beat the next guy nor do I care too!! I have a set goal in mind and 450HP at the wheel is perfectly fine for me, And that is it!! Thanks... 😎
Cars aren't built the way they used to be. But if you want to blow your engine then go right ahead.
the same way GM is still in business
We are not talking about GM here sir. Out of all due respect we are talking about Superchargers and the 3.6L Pentastar engine and is the topic of discussion. Thanks!
I can read thank you. You asked how it's possible that a company could make products that don't work , have numerous lawsuits, and still exist. That is exactly what GM manages to accomplish. 😆