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| Answer to: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | MountainManJoe | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| You know what the really messed up thing is? Kyundai have known about this problem for a some time, and have been "downplaying" it. (read between the lines). They are now facing a flood of lawsuits from owners, and the government is investigating them for criminal negligence. So please, no bs about "take responsibility for their screwups". And I hope you have good home insurance, or park far away, because you aren't even safe while you sleep. Here's a an Elantra destroying a 100 year old house and almost killing the family inside. | |||||
| Answer to: Car reliability according to consumer reports (cont.) | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | MountainManJoe | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| I'm not sure about your assessment that "a few hundred" are effected 400 is a few hundred. And again. That's less than half of one percent of them, and they were old and breaking down. Nobody cares. It has nothing to do with crappy Kias. Give it a rest 🙄 the minimum a car maker should do is extend the warranty - Like Hyundai-Kia has been doing when they have been screwing up. oh good, they give you another crappy replacement engine. Such a a relief 🙄 That's only because it's legal in the US. I see. I have to make a law telling you "you shouldn't rape and rob your neighbour" . Otherwise, it's ok to do it. Sorry but I am going to go with my experience and what Scotty has been saying. Scotty repeats over and over that they are junk, and that he would never buy one. You are hearing what you want to hear. And the Kia Stonic tiny crossover I have on order OK. I completely understand. You put down a downpayment. I don't want give you anxiety. What color did you get? 🙂 | |||||
| RE: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | Dan | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| @MMJ Well on the Hyundai fire hazard issue, what you said isn’t true, (the same way that you said “it’s not Toyota it’s Takata"), it wasn’t Hyundai it was MANDO systems’ ABS pump (Mando is the supplier for most US market Hyundai models). And as I said I don’t care the slightest bit if that’s the manufacturer, a subsidiary, or a private supplier – they sold the car, they are fully responsible for what’s going on with it. - But by your logic, then Toyota’s pedal sticking to the floor, because those parts are OEM from Toyota and are designed and made by Toyota, also unlike the Hyundai fire issue, here there are fatalities. Also Speaking of not owning up to mistakes, Toyota was fined $16,000,000 for their slow response to the accelerator problem. People died accidents were caused, Toyota didn’t want to replace parts so they tried to blame it on the carpeting. - Here’s the last moments of a Lexus owner with a stuck accelerator pedal trying to call 911 for help. And as a recap no one died with the Hyundai issue, they also had a reasonably quick response. - Also, with the seats, Drivers getting slammed into the dashboard in accidents or sliding from the controls causing accidents, how is that any better than a fire hazard – First of all no one has died from this and, don’t all US mail (USPS) trucks have this issue? - Well, speaking of production numbers and rates, in 2013 Hyundai was the 2nd biggest car maker, now they’re 3rd or 4th. They still make a lot of vehicles and not much less than Toyota – Toyotas recall rates have been 100% of Priuses, 100% of UR-series engines, 100% of frag-airbags, 100% of MMT transmissions suddenly going into neutral. - What’s also not true is that Hyundai are the only ones screwing up on engines, look at the Toyota ZZ, ZR, AZ, UR, GR – all of these are so poorly made, have had a lot of issues and Toyota didn’t bother giving a proper warranty on those. - Also, speaking of stories of death, here’s this about ford. And Ford’s handling of the “death wobble” isn’t that great either, for how many years has been this going on without them doing a recall OR ANYTHING? - Well, what you’re saying about the warranty – that’s just your legislature and the fact that lobbying is legal in the way it is. I’ve never seen untransferable warranty, or denied warranty cases in my life, car companies don’t and dealers don’t want to get fined, have licenses revoked or to go under investigation. | |||||
| RE: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | MountainManJoe | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| thanks.fixed. | |||||
| RE: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | Chuck Tobias | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| @mmj, that CBC story is about as horrific as it gets. Note that the ending paren needs to be stripped off for the link to work. | |||||
| Answer to: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | MountainManJoe | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| Yes we know about the airbag recalls. But Takata screwed those up, not Toyota. Hyundai/Kia screwed up their own engines. All Toyota has to do is change suppliers. What is Hyundai going to do? Fire all their employees? I don't give a crap about stalling fuel pumps and sliding seats. I care about getting trapped in a burning vehicle. Mother who watched son burn to death in SUV fire joins calls for answers from Kia, Hyundai: And don't forget that Toyota sells A LOT more vehicles than Hyundai/Kia, so of course a recall will affect many more. It's the recall RATES that matter. And Hyundai does not take responsibility. We've seen it time and again. They do everything they can to blow off customers. (like their oil burning "tests"). They'll just tell you it's normal. Don't even mention their crappy warranty. Even if they did honor it. Used Hyundai owners get ZERO warranty. | |||||
| RE: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | MountainManJoe | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| SIX MILLION cars recalled for fire risk in only the last five years. And millions more still under investigation. Can you comprehend those numbers? | |||||
| RE: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | MountainManJoe | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| most cars are not notorious for becoming fireballs. Just look at the kind of crap coming out of their factories that they are trying to pass as an engine: shoddy casting shoddy quality parts You don't have to listen to me. Take it from their own people! | |||||
| RE: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | MountainManJoe | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| he didn't actually know if the injectors failed. All he knows is that he got a trouble light, and what other people told him. In my real world experience, Kia/Hyundai are exceptionally bad. And the huge recalls are also a testament to this. | |||||
| RE: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | Dan | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| Yeah, a grain of salt is needed, but overall, the specifics like Mazda3 AC issues, Corolla hatchback transmission issues (it's their regular euro spec CVT transmission, if I'm not mistaken) and EVs having issues not with the powertrains but with electronic bells and whistles braking seem to match what's actually going on IRL. | |||||
| Answer to: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | MountainManJoe | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| it wasn’t Hyundai it was MANDO systems’ ABS pump You need to do more research. Only about 180k vehicles have the ABS issue. The rest of the fires are caused by the engine self-destructing and leaking engine oil onto hot exhaust. Hyundai Motor Group (HMG) is blaming owners for "not maintaining" the cars even though it's not true, and even denying warranty claims if they don't have detailed records. But yes, lots of brake problems too like calipers that leak out fluid over time. Are they replacing the Mando units? I don't think so. They fix it with software. they sold the car, they are fully responsible for what’s going on with it. Of course HMG sold the car and have to deal with it now. But the party who is actually to blame matters. People don't buy cars from Mando. They buy them from HMG and if they can't build them properly then what good are they? It also matters in how the problem will be responded to. Like I said before it's easy to change a part supplier. It's not easy to fix a broken company Toyota didn’t want to replace parts so they tried to blame it on the carpeting "After a 10-month search, NASA and NHTSA scientists found no electronic defect in Toyota vehicles. Driver error or pedal misapplication was found responsible for most of the incidents." (many sources available I can provide) fire hazard – First of all no one has died from this Not true. I posted an example above. don’t all US mail (USPS) trucks have this issue? if by "all" you mean a few hundred (about 0.3% of them) , sure. These trucks have been on the road around 30 years and have outlived their expectancy, and the postal service ran out of money and stopped maintaining them. I don't see how this is in any way connected to the topic. They still make a lot of vehicles and not much less than Toyota Toyota sold 9.5M units in 2020. HMG: 3.7M so just over 1/3rd HMG fire recalls were up to 7.3M vehicles in May. I've lost count of how many more there have been since then. It's seems like every month they are in the news with more recalls. And STILL MORE are being investigated. I estimate the number is well over 10M by now. That means they recall about 3x as many vehicles as they sell in a year. (we can do an official count together if you like). So please ... What’s also not true is that Hyundai are the only ones screwing up on engines Of course. I never said that. Who would be stupid enough to make that claim. However, the AMOUNT of screwups HMG makes compared to other manufacturers is absolutely staggering. HMG has more self destructing engine models, than properly functioning ones. Also, speaking of stories of death, here’s this about ford. Yes a few thousand Fiestas affected and a grand total of 2 related deaths. Very unfortunate, but hardly worth mentioning. The matter is settled now, and Ford probably could have handled it better. This defect followed the financial crisis of 2008 when auto manufacturers were facing problems across the board Well, what you’re saying about the warranty – that’s just your legislature False. That is HMG's policy stated clearly in the owner's manual, and they cling to it like flies on poop. All other manufacturers have transferable warranties. Why Toyota isn't held accountable for knowingly building deathtraps with fragmentation airbags Of course they are. They are recalling all of them as they should. Toyota, along with every other manufacturer who used them, including HMG. There has been A LOT of media attention on this issue. Takata has admitted to covering up the defect, and they were fined millions of dollars, and responsible executives are indicted criminals. 2011-2013 Sonata and Forte airbags (unrelated to Takata) have also killed some people. 425k cars affected. Evidence has come up that HMG knew about them. Why Honda and GM gets away with engines what do you mean? It's pretty public knowledge, isn't it? And so they made some crappy engines. Don't buy them. What do you want? So far it's a drop in the ocean compared to what HMG have produced. Overall, I would take a GM engine over HMG any time. Why have 90% of HMG owners I know had engine or tranny replacements (often more than one) within a few years of manufacture? Hyundai spent only $800k on lobbying this year... I really don't care. I only care about how I am treated, and since I don't buy new cars then ... pfff. GM has honored all the recalls I brought to them. There's a good reason why Toyota is doing very well. It's because on average, they are very reliable. HMG has a sour reputation with mechanics everywhere. (Including their own it seems). The only reason they're still in business , is because they are propped up by Korean banks. Twice now they faced bankruptcy and have been BAILED OUT. Before the pandemic, they were losing $5B per year. The only reason people buy them is because they are impressed with shiny gadgets, and they don't read fine prints on bold sounding warranties. | |||||
| RE: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | Mod_Man | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| Lol ok that's true | |||||
| RE: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | Doc | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| Bucket 'O Salt. | |||||
| Answer to: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | Dan | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| Well if Toyota had transmission problems within one year of ownership that says a lot about the "Dynamic Shift" transmission. I think the results are actually solid and make a lot of sence, the only thing I disagree with is MINI being way ranked higher than kia and ford - Sure MINIs don't breakdown as often, but the repair costs can get insane on those... | |||||
| Answer to: Car reliability according to consumer reports | 20Relevance | 5 years ago | MountainManJoe | Submit Your Question HERE | |
| what did they base their findings on, though? 1st year of ownership? These results seem more sane then usual, but I still wouldn't take them seriously. | |||||