Thanks Chuck. I can clarify on infotainment I mean the dashboard electronics, interior / exterior cameras, etc. They are of better quality / more updated in the Kia and make for a more enjoyable experience for the minivan life moving around little kids.

I know this could also mean they are more prone to problems later down the road, typically more electronics = more problems, and these vehicles are still relatively new, only been around a handful of years. But what I haven’t seen from my research is any indications yet of mechanical issues or early warning signs with these specific Kia models , so just curious if others have?

My preference would be something that has a simple radio but will run for decades and hundreds of thousands of miles with few issues. Given Kia's long reputation for poor quality there is no reason to believe these new models will fare any better in that regard than their previous efforts.

Yea I checked Edmunds. Hard to get a good read there, either people really love it or hate it. Saw same thing with Sienna, which had a lower overall customer review score on edmunds than the carnival which shocked me