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Toyota Corolla 2021 1.5L opinions in Europe

  

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Hello, Scotty!   I'd appreciate your input on a car I am about to buy. Its a new Toyota Corolla sedan 2021 , 1.5L Atkinson cycle gasoline engine, 125 horse power, manual transmission. I am in Europe. So far I drove a VW Golf 3.

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Yeah that pretty well made cars you want to get a hybrid that's the way to go


Thank you.
Well, a hybrid is approx 4000eur more expensive, and it seems it makes sense only if one does 15-20k km a year...🤔
Thanks🙋‍♂️


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Not sure about the new 1.5L, as far as I know it's not a hybrid like scotty said - and as far as I know, also I'm not sure if it's an Atkinson as the are two different versions of the M15A engine (1:13 compression for regular cars, and 1:14 for hybrids)

Personally I've been looking at a car with that engine and I'm not sure if it can be trusted yet - Their best engines are ZR series engines that are not equipped with valvematic.


As I know, new 1.5L engines are 3-cylinder ones. Do you know when was the last engine without VVT-i or valvematic built?


@g-t
ValveMatic should be retired in the next year as they're terrible. The VVT-i system has been around for years and it's solid, it has been around since 1995 without any serious reliably issues - I'm glad they said they'll continue to use it on the DynamicForce.
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Yes, the DynamicForce 1.5L is a 3 cylinder engine but that's not a bad thing.
recent 3 cylinders don't seem that bad, the latest (early versions were c****) versions of the PSA EB2 (130 horsepower 230NM) and EcoBoost 1.0 (125 horsepower 170NM) seem well built and reliable.
So Toyota isn't really building something incredible, only with only 115 horsepower and 145NM - shouldn't stress the metal out too much, I'm just scared of design mistakes like happened with the Camry 2.4 (don't remember the exact displacement of the oil burning one) or with early ZR variants that also burned a lot of oil.


Isn't that 1.5 M15A-FKS engine only a year old one? Do you perhaps know if they already have showed any issues of new engines?


@g-t nope I wish I would know more. As it seems right now, Any info would be appreciated.

from what I can see, it’s a conservative engine that’s not pushing the boundaries too much - so knowing Toyota it’s probably decent.
Personally I’m considering getting a small suv (while it’s still possible to get non-hybrids) with that engine and just get rid of all my other cars, but getting that engine is quite a bit of a risk…
I really don’t know, I wish there would be more info about it and on what it’s based on (they talk about how they changed the valve seats and valve angles but don’t tell us what’s their base design…)

 


Yes, with every new generation it is more difficult to get a normal engine. In current generation Toyota left diesels only in Hilux, Land Cruiser and Proace in my country. Others are mainly petrols or hybrids.


@g-t
Yep, I agree - ugh "greens".
But... I mean Toyota diesels (mostly D-4D) were never that good to begin with, so I'm glad they got rid of those.
Realistically, I wouldn't trust new Toyota diesels too much, I heard quite a few of the later generation Land-Cruiser Prado's running quite rough - TBH, the best commercial diesel seems to be the Nissan Navara (Renault M9T 2.3L turbo diesel, Infiniti 7 speed automatic - a very solid engine and a reasonably solid gearbox.)
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Where I live Toyota has stoped offering Petrols on most models - the only ones being left are the base model Yaris and Yaris Cross and the highest trim level of the Corolla and RAV4. It's almost impossible to get a normal mid-sized SUV (The size of a Nissan Qashqai) with a petrol and automatic gearbox...


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