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Hello uncle scotty😃😃

This nabil from egypt 😬😬

 
I'm a huge fan of yours 🫡🫡and your faithful honest advise and always watch all your videos and consider your opinions 👍🏻👍🏻
 
I need your advise 
I'm living in 3rd world country and wish to buy a new car to last for at least 10 years ahead
And since i live in egypt  my only car options are only 1.6 due the huge tax bracket 😑 🫣
 
First option would be toyota corolla of course but roads here are tough and mostly un paved hence i would realy need to go for an SUV  body type to survive longer  .
 
Most of options are with CVT and turbo changed which you don't recommend 
 
The available alternative  options are:
1-Mitsubishi eclipse cross 1.5 turbo cvt 
2-Honda Hr-v 1.5 cvt non turbo 
3-Toyota urban cruiser 1.5 hybrid non turbo
4-kia sportage 1.6 non turbo classic gearbox
 
 
Your opinion matters the most and i would blindly  follow your advice .

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Scotty's advice is relevant for vehicles sold in America

Yes. Scotty is usually more familiar with North American cars - he is not aware of Euro/ME market powertrains and even models.

Posted by: @g-t

Perhaps @dan can tell you more

I gladly will. 🙂

 

a new car (...)
1-Mitsubishi eclipse cross 1.5 turbo cvt 

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The Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross is based on the "Mitsubishi GS platform" - so this 2023 model car shares most of it's components with the 9th generation Lancer (from 2007) and the Mitsubishi ASX from 2010.

The CVT in it is junk - it's that horrid Jatco CVT that you can find on Nissans.

Finally, another reason to avoid it is due to the fact that Mitsubishi is dead, by 2025 they will fully stop any developments and will be fully replaced by "badge engineered" Renault cars (the process has already began).

It is a underwhelming car, I do not recommend it.

2-Honda Hr-v 1.5 cvt non turbo 

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The new generation HR-V EUROPEAN is actually quite nice - but it's a small, light car that falls short on safety.

The injury measurements on the frontal impact category are poor and other measurements are also disappointing. 

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/honda/hr-v/45661

*NOTE: US market HR-Vs have nothing to do with the new EU HR-V.

3-Toyota urban cruiser 1.5 hybrid non turbo

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The brand new Toyota Urban Cruiser is just a "badge engineered" Suzuki Grand Vitara.

 

When you say "Hybrid" - what one do you mean? these are offered with 2 distinct systems

The "Strong Hybrid" is a Toyota DyanamicForce Hybrid system from the Toyota Yaris Cross.

The "Mild Hybrid" is a Suzuki system based on the Suzuki 1.5 Dualjet and a small 48V belt driven motor.

 

I can see the appeal of a 7 seater Toyota Urban Cruiser with the "Strong Hybrid" system,

yet it's kinda noisy and just not as good as it could have been.

4-kia sportage 1.6 non turbo classic gearbox

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Do you mean the Diesel? But the Diesel still has a turbo (Turbo-Diesel)

Kia does not currently produce a Kia Sportage with a naturally aspirated 1.6

Look the new Smartstream D1.6 Diesel, unlike it's very successful predecessor, uses an aluminum engine block - I do not know how well it will hold up.

I am unsure what Sportage you mean exactly, the new generation just doesn't have a 1.6 non-turbo.

 

As far as the transmissions, the 6 and 8 speed torque convertor transmissions can do a while, just make sure that if they run hot that you add a cooler.

 

Generally the new generation of the Sportage is not very masculine, it's a very plush MPV that's built less for serious use and more as a comfortable method of transport.

 

TLDR: Out of these options either Sportage or the Urban Cruiser.

(Depending on the exact version you're looking at!)


Gee thanks Dan for this tremendous and professional respond...i didn't expect that... looks like all guys assisting uncle scotty are up to the level🫡🫡👌🏻

Yes the toyota is a rebudged suzuki but sadly the only option available in the market is the mild hybrid ..kia sells only 1.6 turbo...🥲🥲 you really is a genius..i didn't notice not untill you mention that.

Shall i consider mazda cx-3 1.5L non turbo knowing its same cost with honda hrv but in a relatively smaller body size or it would end with turbo versionof 2023 sportage???😇😇


No problem, I'm always happy to help.
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I would not recommend the Kia 1.6 T-GDi - those engines are not well built, also they're usually connected to horrible dual clutch transmissions.
A 1.6 Kia diesel with a conventional transmission would be decent - but this is not.
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The Suzuki Grand Vitara 1.5 is decent, pretty good cars even with the 1.5L, especially as a 7 seater!
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The Mazda CX-3 is very reliable but also small compared to a Sportage or even a Grand Vitara...
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Maybe you can get the (Euro) Toyota Yaris Cross 1.5L Hybrid?
They're very efficient and reliable cars with good ground clearance (170 mm), a good spacious body - but engine is a bit noisy and bad fuel quality can cause expensive EGR issues on this very Euro engine.

Toyota also makes an Asian 2nd/3rd world version of the Yaris Cross (In Japan they drive the European version).

The 2nd/3rd world Asian version is completely different and I do not know if it's any good...
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I think your best option can be the new Suzuki S-Cross if it's sold in your region (and if it's priced fairly)
They're well sized, have very strong and reliable 140 horsepower 1.4 BoosterJet turbo engines mated to reliable conventional transmissions, and can be optioned with a very good 4x4 system called "AllGrip"


I didn't know Mitsubishi was getting completely out of the car business, thanks for that!


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Scotty's advice is relevant for vehicles sold in America. No one knows about new cars. Sadly enough, normally aspirated engines and normal transmission have gone in extinction within new generations. For only 10 years, I'd take a look a car that comes with a waranty that lasts the most. Perhaps @dan can tell you more.


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Just wonder, do you  have Mazda and Subaru where you live?  If you can find something that's made in Japan (Vin starts with J), that would be better...

Obviously, Toyota is a better option,  but I would look into Mazda as well if you can find one made in Japan, non turbo with regular transmission..


Thanks J... yes mazada and subaru exists in the market but very very limited... spare parts are extremely hard to find ...however thank you for your advice and will consider those option for sure🙂🙂


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Posted by: @dan

Mitsubishi is dead, by 2025 they will fully stop any developments and will be fully replaced by "badge engineered" Renault cars

That has a familiar ring, history repeats itself. (I expect this latest deal will work out just as well as it did back then...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWkJKstTLhU

 


It's already working,
All Nissans sold are Renaults under the hood.
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Are they great cars? not by any stretch of the imagination.
Are they selling decently well? Yes.
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Mitsubishi's new model "The new Outlander" is just a Nissan Rogue.
The other upcoming models are also just Renault-Nissan cars.


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Posted by: @justin-shepherd

I didn't know Mitsubishi was getting completely out of the car business, thanks for that!

That's not exactly what I said, Mitsubishi has stopped new car development (for export markets).

YET, The brand will manufacture and sell Renault-Nissan Alliance cars.

2021: "Mitsubishi offers eight different platforms. The brand is looking to half this by 2026 and expects to develop only two by itself for the Southeast Asian market. The other two would be co-developed with Nissan."

Source: https://www.carmag.co.za/news/rumours/mitsubishi-stop-car-platforms-2026/

Renault-Nissan plans to launch lots of Mitsubishi branded cars that are based on Renault-Nissan products,

The ones launched so far:

  • The new Mitsubishi Outlander (Rebadged Nissan Rogue) - available in N.A
  • The new Mitsubishi ASX (Rebadged Renault Captur / Nissan Juke)
  • The new Mitsubishi Colt (Rebadged Renault Clio / Nissan Micra)

Some of those are VERY last re-badges! You can see the shape of the Renault logo still on the sheet metal!

Spoiler
Photos of the SUPER lazy re-badges

"Mitsubishi" (ASX)

Renault

"Mitsubishi" (Colt)

Renault

And an additional 15 New Models In Five Years - Export cars will all be based on two Renault-Nissan platforms.

 

TLDR: Mitsubishi is not out of the car business,

They will manufacture badge-engineered Renault-Nissans.


I meant Mitsubishi is getting out of in-house-designed cars. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries was always a side market for them. My father-in-law has a 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander, so I will have to watch out for that, now. 


Well, his car is probably already a Nissan so he's in the clear.
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You can verify it:
The Renault-Nissan based Outlander:

Mitsubishi's own Outlander (to be discontinued soon):


Unfortunately, it's the former. I'm honestly surprised they decided to just badge engineer so late in the game. Mitsubishi specializes in aerospace and JSDF (Japan Self-Defense Forces) related stuff. They developed a license-built version based on the F-16 that specializes in air-to-surface engagements. Mitsubishi also developed the AM6 Zero fighter during WWII. Aerospace is their baby, lol.


"Mitsubishi" is 40 companies without a controlling parent organization.
Only 29 of those collaborate in their regular ritual meetings.
Mitsubishi Motors is not a "core" or "major" member.
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I'm not surprised Mitsubishi Motors was sunset,
I'm surprised it was so graceful considering their history of being a dumpster fire.
(dumpster fire is a very gentle way to put it)
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Mitsubishi motors has been rocky since as long as I can remember...
Everything from the 0-0-0 crash,
How "well" Mitsubishi-Chrysler went,
How in the year 2000 Mitsubishi was covering up defects (uncovered by police raid),
How in 2002 they have joined forced with Hyundai and Chrysler to develop engines - and how horribly that turned out (the horrid Theta GDi and Chrysler 2.4 and 2.0 Tigershark engines, all horrid piles of junk came from this partnership),
How the 2005 Mitsubishi's partnership with DaimlerChrysler almost crashed all 3 companies,
The 2005 near-bankruptcy and rescue,
That time they invested $600 mil. into Australian production, in 2 years shut down production.
In 2008 their European operations lost $287 million in 3 months and shut down.
They have also shut down US production - due to horrid sales.
In the past 2 years they have pulled out completely from the UK and their 2nd biggest market, China.
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I was just expecting them to crash and burn, because the 2000s GS platform got so outdated there's no chance they can market it much longer, but I guess Renualt-Nissan saw an opportunity and took it so they continue to exist (in their own way).
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As far as Mitsubishi's aerospace performance,
Welp they attempted to develop a regional jet (SpaceJet) - it has failed.
When they were trying to save the hopes of the SpaceJet, they bought the CRJ project - the management around it was so horrific, that they had to shut down less than a production a year after purchase.
I will not make fun of Mitsubishi's attempt at converting a jet trainer concept ("Agile Flacon" -> F-2) into a jet fighter - I will just point out that they lost ~10% of the operational fleet in accidents and stoped manufacturing 11 years after the type's introduction.
Notably, instead of developing another type or modification programme like they always have - the Japanese gov didn't trust their industry and just purchased unmodified aircraft.


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I’d like to hear what Scotty recommends. I’ll wait to hear his thoughts. 

With that said, as a fan of Scotty and a car enthusiast, these are my thoughts.

Out of those four, the Honda HR-V is the best choice for projected longevity and quality, IMHO. It’s a non-turbo and a decent CVT. We don’t get that version of the HR-V here in the US. But we’ve had cars like the Fit built on a similar derived platform. And they seem to hold up pretty well. 

Next would be the Toyota Urban Cruiser, which is a rebadged Suzuki Grand Vitara. While technically not a Toyota design, Toyota owns part of Suzuki. It comes in two hybrid variations, a mild hybrid or a full hybrid. The full hybrid actually has a Toyota dynamic force engine, whereas the mild hybrid has a Suzuki engine.

I wouldn’t really consider the other two. 


Thanks so much kaizen.....sadly the only toyota/suzuki option available here in the market is the mild hybrid which as you said has suzuki engine... appreciate your valuable advice and will consider those option for sure


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Guyz, do anyone knows how to convey my question to uncle scotty... i don't know if he woukd ever see my query....is there any other way to contact him???


See the FAQ.


Perhaps he will answer in a video.


Dear gentleman

Specially @dan

What do you think guys of the suzuki vitara 4th generation 2023 model
A classic reliable Japanese 1.6L conventional 6 speed gearbox with reasonable options.
Any objection to disregard this car ? Knowing that it's very well priced in the region


They're great cars.

^ assuming we are talking about this


@dan very impressive post/thread.


Yes @dan it's that generation...looks like it's gonna be my choice😊😊


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