Hello Scotty,
I am planning to buy a new car, I' ve have had a look at the new Tucson/Sportage(NQ5) and I must say it is really impressive. Only the 7spd dry dct gearbox option is being offered here in my country. (Engine: 1.6 Turbo 180hp)
However, knowing that Honda, Ford, VW have had issues with their dry DCT in the past. Do you think that the gearbox would be reliable and could last me aprrox >160K km. Note: I'm being offered 7year/100k km warranty.
I did have a look at the rav4, but I must say I'm really impressed with the korean's look.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Also adding @Dan to this discussion
Well, it might be impressive now but as they age it will probably not impress you when the thing breaks and potentially blows up (like every Korean car does since they can't build them right in the first place). I would go for the Rav4 all the way vs the Hyundai/Kia SUVs.
You will be unimpressed when your new Kia/Hyundai is in the shop for most of the sever year warranty period. But it sure will look nice!
Hi,
I drive a Hyundai-Kia product with a dry dual clutch transmission.
I've driven many DCTs transmissions and all cars I currently own are automatics with clutches.
While Ford (DPS6), VW group (DQ200), and Alpha Romeo (C635) have delivered transmissions that drive well when they're in good mechanical condition (They're all generally unreliable) and if the driver adapts himself - Hyundai-Kia doesn't
The Hyundai-Kia DCTs I've driven drove like crap, for some owners they're not bad but it depends on a lot of factors, to me and from what I'm seeing this is junk.
I haven't driven a 2022 yet, but looking at the fact that even car reviews point out the transmission is "not refined" (AKA HORRID), I can safely assume nothing changed and that they're still total junk. (this is a review not of a Tucson but of a different small SUV - vert similar gearbox)
video has a time stamp to relevant part 2:29 - 3:34
On their hybrids, that are actually worth the price if you're in Europe, the hybrid fills in the gaps and allows the transmission to disengage if it feels like it's about to shift so hard the thing is going to explode, take-off is usually done on electricity alone (lessen the dual clutch feel) and they gets phenomenal gas-milage.
Also any remotely well built car should be able to last 160,000km (100,000 miles) with proper maintenance, there are exceptions, but why torture yourself with a Hyundai-Kia dual clutch. If it would be a Hyundai-Kia converntional automatic with a MPi engine, then sure they're not bad at all - but a T-GDi with a DCT is awful.
If you want a good looking total money pit to keep only for 160,000km (100,000 miles), for the price of a Tucson (I checked in the UK, depends heavily on where you live) you can get a Mercedes-Benz GLA those also have a small engine making too much power for it's size (Based on Renault H5Ft) but at least the DCT is a wet clutched (as far as I remember it's related to the Ford 7DCT300 that comes on the Renault Megane, and Ford Fiesta and Puma) and drives nicely, costs a fortune to fix when it goes bad near 100k miles but is usually a joy to drive until then.
So many other good looking cars that last around 100k miles (Puma, Mokka, ...) that I don't see a single reason to even consider a Hyundai-Kia with a horrid oil burning engine and an awkward dual dry clutch.
But honestly? The RAV4 is the better car, with good maintenance (not what the manual says) they can last a very long time.
@DayWalker thanks for letting me know of this question.
Is that a manual transmission? They are offering an 8 speed dual wet clutch automatic in the states. They don't sell allot of manual transmissions in the states. Kia transmissions have a pretty good reputation. The engines are another story.You don't mind if it's noisy and lacks power as long as it gets you there. Problem with Kia / Hyundai and certain model years is they blow up or catch fire while your driving. 160km is about 102 K miles. That's the average life span before the major repairs start. If you do your own work it's OK but if your the average person who depends on a mechanic or the dreaded horror the dealer you will have sticker shock when the warranty expires and you get to start paying for things.
Would not buy a turbo under any circumstances.
Nope that’s not a manual transmission, they pair almost all of their 1.6L T-GDI engines with a dual dry clutch automatic.
It’s kind of their go-to power rain for their older cheaper models - it’s not good at all.
Unlike conventional automatic, new kia transmission tech has a bad reputation for being 10-15 years behind competitors, computer software issues, and for not being able to put together a dual-mass flywheel (tbh a lot of companies failed to make good dual mass dampers for dual clutches [they just naturally have a lot of shift shock] - Mitsubishi, Volvo, VW, Ford had a bunch of issues with it on theirs, but it even Ford figured it out like 11 years ago)
With Korean cars because they can't make quality vehicles to compete with Toyota/Honda they instead try to make the look of the car appealing (you said you were impressed by the look of it). The rav4 might not have all the extra unnecessary bells and whistles of the Kia, but it's a great car and it has some nice features/options. So it boils down to if you want the look and constant mechanic visits or if you want something less appealing to you but good quality and reliability.
