Hello I'm interested in buying the rav4. I was looking at the Toyota website and I saw that they have 3.0 safety and new media technology coming soon. I was wondering if anyone knew when it will come out for the rav4. And is it worth it to wait for those two new add-ons or the rav4 2022 is perfect the way it is. I if I'm not mistakimg the Lexus nx 2022 is already equip with the new add-ons any insight wurth it or no
I'm assuming you're talking about Toyota Safety Sense 3.0?
More, unreliable electronic junk that will stop working correctly and can't be fixed, and probably cause more accidents that they prevent.
Example - Boeing 737 MAX. 349 people dead because of electronic sensor malfunctions.
Do you normally choose/buy your vehicles, based on their electronic features (gimmicks)?
I am very tech savvy I like everything technology.
Those who are really savvy know not to trust new tech! :silly:
It all seems like a good reason to keep my decades-old vehicles that have none of this junk. Those "features" will do things like slam on the brakes in the middle of a freeway due to shadows and who knows what else, especially as the vehicle ages. Turn off the damned phone, practice situational awareness, and you don't need any of it. (I've never even owned a car with a so-called "infotainment" screen and probably never will.)
> "Those "features" will do things like slam on the brakes in the middle of a freeway due to shadows"
They won't.
Perhaps "for no reason" would be a more accurate description.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-phantom-braking-complaints-growing-auotpilot-2022-2
https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/drivers-startled-by-their-cars-auto-braking-for-no-apparent-reason
As far as I'm concerned, no sale. I'll never buy a car with those kind of features.
Has any one questioned all these radar signals being transmitted in close proximity to or directly at humans inside cars?
There's a simple way around that problem.
Works for me. We can customize them with psychedelic colors or political slogans. They might replace the sweat shirt as a means of expression. Now I know what to do with that 200K roll of tin foil I ended up with on my last trip to Vegas.
Toyota Safety Sense 3.0 has electronic safety features like: Lane keep assist with steering, Autonomous braking even during turns, Cruise Control with lane tracing, road sign detection and high been assist - in other words, Toyota finally has a system similar to what their competitors have had for quite a long time...
Here's how a similar system works on a Nissan Rouge (called Qashqai in Europe)
https://youtu.be/jbERFwdd2u4?t=213
Personally I value technology that can help avoid a collision a lot - it might save you from VERY serious trouble.
It both can help you avoid a crash with a different car and save you physically, or it can help avoid a crash with a pedestrian and avoid legal liability.
I would get the newer safety sense. and genuinely, if you can get an NX - it's a fancier car that's worth the extra (just avoid the Turbo engines or hybrids, get the DynamicForce with the DirectShift)
If a person plans to keep their vehicle for a long time, is it really worth getting that system? Just seems like the potential for more things to break (and $$$ to fix), esp. once out of warranty.
@DayWalker , being in / responsible for a collision may cost a person more than money.
Generally, so far these systems have had flawless reliability - even the very early system installed on my ‘14 Focus.
The way that Kia’s latest system works (on the Niro HEV) is just wonderful, and I really can see it being the thing that’ll make a significant impact on road safety.
Where I live they’ve been mandated for the last 5 or so years and I’m yet to see them cause any issues - and roads feel safer.
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I’m not a fan of complex electronics, but at this point on a modern car where there’s an infotainment screen that costs $,$$$, a digital climate control units that cost $,$$$ (I’ve a video where Nissan quoted $7k for the integrated screen and climate controller) and even the amplifier for the sound and the headlights all have control units and are all connected and communicate on the CAN bus (even on a Camry, true craziness is that I recently discovered that on my Volvo the parking sensors also communicate on CAN) - I really don’t think that adding one additional control unit is going to change the reliability much.
Looking at a recent recall that Kia did due to poor soldering, when the system fails - it just lights up a “collision avoidance system” warning light… so even if it fails it’s not that bad and is something that you can just live with…
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Also as far as I know, all Toyota RAV4s are already required with Safety Sense 2.0/2.5, so getting the upgrade to 3.0 (with improved performance probably due to more modern hardware and software) seems to be a reasonable move…
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It’s not Chinese junk either, as it seems it’s a ZF sensor with an Intel (Mobileye) made processing unit.
Mobileye are a local company to me and as far as I know they also make the hardware and software used by BMW, Audi, VW and Cadillac - so being able to get that kind of technology on a Toyota is genuinely cool.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/zf-mobileye-safety-technology-toyota.html
Looks like someone was thinking about this stuff a long time ago. From the May, 1952 issue of Popular Science magazine:
The NX and the RAV4 are basically the same car. Same platform. The former is just more luxurious than the latter.
If you want 3.0 and that is the make it or break it deal for you, wait or get the NX.
Has any one questioned all these radar signals being transmitted in close proximity to or directly at humans inside cars? In the day like 30 years ago we had regulations and exposure limits. It seems all that has been thrown away. I remember years ago an attempt at stealth with unmarked police cars back fired. Their two way radio antennas were hidden inside the windshield. The occupants started complaining about headaches. They ended up ripping them out and returning them to the roofs so there was steel between you and the RF energy.
Just a thought.
I drive a 2021 Camry SE. It came with Safety sense 2.5. The system is very reliable as in my experience. One time, the car stopped itself before I could get hit by a redlight runner. Another time, there was an accident ahead of me that caused the entire traffic to come to a sudden stop. The system braked my Camry before I could react in time. The SUV in front of me couldnt stop in time and hit a F150 in front of it. Sometimes, it thinks fire hydrants and light poles are people, though X'D. I think you can rely on it. However, you still need to drive carefully.
