Hey Scotty, what is your opinion about diesel exhaust fluid, called adblue, being injected into the exhaust to reduce emissions? I find it silly, especially since Australia is having a country wide shortage of the stuff due to Covid-19, threatening the entire diesel range of vehicles here
Let me show you all who is really polluting the world, because it's only a few countries who make more than the rest of the world combined.
By comparison, if you think a few dumb teenagers driving diesels is a problem, then you need to get your priorities straight.
Kind of aggressive there Joe. I didn't reply to your comment because, as noted in my post, I had no desire to go back and forth. When someone has their mind made up, there is no changing it via a post on a forum (or pretty much anything). Obviously there are larger contributing factors....I'm well aware of everything you posted. But ANY amount of help, anywhere, is good. Not sure why you're trying to prod me into an argument here with a post targeted at me as we are supposed to be on the same side. I didn't go back and forth on the other post, and it isn't going to happen here as it is unproductive to forum discussion. You know that. {black}:idontknow:
aggressive... not at all. argument? Yes YOU made an argument. I responded with mine.
mod_man, you posted your opinion into a *public forum*, so what do you expect? If you don't have the cahones to back up your claims ... DON'T POST THEM. Stop any time, but you replied again, so I'll continue ... 🙂
That "help" comes a cost that is greater that what it actually produces. That's robbing $20 from Peter to pay $5 back to Paul. Gov't regulations simply don't work and only make things worse, When you force companies to obey the letter of the law (rather than the spirit of it), then they will find the easiest/cheapest ways to do it. Even if it means screwing the consumer, or other unscrupulous ways (remember dieselgate).
It actually ends up being no help at all, and in fact quite the opposite.
Politicians know this, and they don't care or believe in what they're doing. They're only in it for the votes.
The diesel exhaust fluid is important for the functioning of the exhaust filters on modern diesels. Unless you can delete the exhaust filters or converters you need the fluid it prevents clogging
Well, according to the Australian government, they only need the fluid to make driving diesels legal
It’s not there for show to make a truck legal it’s there for a reason it cleans the filters so they operate as designed and reduce tailpipe emissions. Most modern diesels won’t even run properly without it. The truck will go into limp mode unless you have a tune out in to remove that
I wonder why there is a "shortage" when ingredients are relatively simple.
honestly... I hate DEF. They tends to freeze around 11 degrees F. and where I live... darn thing freeze constant and I use engine block heater in it but down side if it... It drains battery fast. I worked on diesel trucks and off road equipment, DEF have tons of problems. If you get DEF on the metal, good luck get that stuff off. I've seen a lot of guys at my location just remove that system and diesel particle filter due to reliability issues or they simply trade it to older diesel powered vehicle that don't have DEF which is more reliable. Also, to fix DEF issues, it's very expensive to fix it.
biggest complaint I've seen and worked on: DEF gels up in winter, truck won't start due to DPF is plugged, stuck in limp mode, low power, drinks fuel like its free.
I don't know about down under, but in the states it is "possible" to do a DEF delete (ie, disconnect the DEF components and reprogram the ECU). That is technically illegal, but whether the law is enforced depends on the jurisdiction. In places like Texas, you can usually find a shop that will do it for (wink,wink) offroad vehicles (wink,wink). But in places like California, no pro shops will do it, they won't work on your truck if they see you have done it, and as soon as emissions testing is due it's game over (and possibly impounded).
Sorry to say, I'd guess Oz is more like Cali.
Anything that helps reduce diesel emissions is good. Too many idiots down here in Texas "roll coal" and think it's cool for some reason. {black}:serious:
Modifying your truck to blow plumes of soot is really immature. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that doing "anything" to reduce emissions is good. Some measures go too far, and while they might make the lawmakers happy by reducing emissions by some fractional percentage, they send cars/trucks to an early grave, and THAT is not good for environment or anybody. It's a shameful waste of resources. That is what gets people pissed off, and that is what triggers people to "roll coal".
Well personally, I'd rather the cars/trucks go to an early grave than people. IMO there's no defense of the behavior. It's also illegal, though rather than just the fine they currently get I'd rather have the vehicle in question crushed as well. I think that's mostly because I live in a state where this stuff happens all day, every day and is a real issue.
Nobody is going to an early grave. That is a gross exaggeration.
Let's get the record straight - A good diesel like an Opel Corsa 1.3L creates 82 grams per km - while your Accord produces 2.5 times that (211 g/km, the lowest figure I found was 177)
Without AdBlue or any of these emissions systems? well a Renault Megane III large family car dCi diesel does 120g/km that's still much less than your Accord.
Actually your Accord creates as much pollution as this BUS, while consuming 2-3 times the natural resources as a diesel car would (not to forget to mention it transports 19+ people while your car is probably used only by 2 at a time)
What people claim is that diesels create small particles but as a matter of fact your accord's wonderful 2.0L isn't equipped (at least in most parts of the world as far as I know) with a gasoline particle filter meaning it creates more particles than a diesel with AddBlue.
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So before you go out slamming the cars that those in need of cheap reliable transportation (it's not like people in Australia or the rest of the world are buying diesel because of reasons other than economy), maybe check you own car?
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I fully agree with @mmj, If you believe in climate theories - make your own choices and hold China, India and Pakistan accountable. But I guess why not make someone who lives in a country that creates only 1.16% (Australia - where I live it's something like 0.2%) of the total pollution suffer with his perfectly ecological car?
Also didn't the EU give incentives to diesels because they though they were more ecological? I guess zig-zagging is the only move the green movement will ever do.
upvote! N.America is not the problem.
@dan I thought you were in Israel. (according to your profile)
Yes, I do live in Israel.
The person who posted the question lives in Australia, so I gave information about his country. "as in 1.16% in Australia, 0.2% where I live".
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What I meant to say is that making someone (the OP) who lives In Australia that created little to no pollution anyway (1.16% of global emissions) and especially me (who lives in a country responsible for under 0.2% of global emissions) waste their money on AdBlue is ridiculous and makes no sense at all.
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got it. And you're right.