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When will GM, Kia, and Dodge learn from all there engine problems? I have a 2011 Honda Accord 2.4 that just hit 200k miles. The engine has never been touched and it runs great and the heated seats and A/C still work.


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Planned obscolescence


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Posted by: @chondahatesgm

When will GM, Kia, and Dodge learn from all there engine problems?

Bean counters don’t want you to know about this genius marketing tactic..


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Why do they make unreliable engines? Because they can or at least they thought they could. All the class action suits are beginning to take there toll. Hyundai ,the company that owns Kia, just cleaned house. All the upper management in their American plants were fired and notices went out to dealers that excessive complaints could cost the franchise. It's ridiculous to discover a flaw in the production process of an engine and the continue making those engines with that flaw for an additional two years.

 


“All the upper management in their American plants were fired and notices went out to dealers that excessive complaints could cost the franchise. “
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The issue lies with the design of their vehicles. Quality/Reliability/durability has to be designed in from the beginning and those designs originate/occur over in South Korea. They need to address that. Firing upper management in the American plants or sending notices to dealers won’t stop the quality control issues if they aren’t designing them right in the first place.


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Posted by: @nta98

I trust GM's performance cars

Your trust is likely misplaced. 

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2020/10/10/gm-chevrolet-corvette-bad-wheels-class-action-lawsuit/5897521002/

Also affects their newer mid-engine cars. This guy had wheel recalls on his. I think Scotty reviewed his car back in Houston. Haha.

https://youtu.be/TP9pHavv180

Wheels aren't all that hard to make. It's poor quality control and poor engineering. When bean counters rule the roost, you'll keep seeing issues like this. 


Not to mention my poor co-worker:
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https://carkiller.com/scottykilmer/qa/you-should-have-listened-to-me/#post-238611

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I am a Corvette enthusiastic, own a 2004 Corvette and wanted to upgrade to the C7 generation (2014-2019), but enough problems plague that generation (bent wheels on the wide body Grand Sport/Z06, electrical issues, damaged engines, torque tube failures, differential failures) that I am staying away. 
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Unfortunately, my co-worker took the plunge and it backfired.


That is unfortunate for your coworker. GM isn't what it used to be. At all. My 2009 HHR's rear door speakers didn't work in 2014, the back window switches didn't work, then I drove through a car wash with the back windows down by accident, got the back panels wet and they worked after that. Lol. That car was affected by the infamous GM ignition switch recall. How GM botches the most basic things is beyond me. Ignition switches are ancient technology. If they can't make those, they shouldn't be making cars. I feel like you take your life into your own hands if you buy a GM these days. I'd hang on to your C5 'Vette, they're pushing 20+ now. I like the styling of that era.


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Publicly traded companies exist to make money for the shareholders. Period.

 

The general public wants whatever is trendy, like big flashy SUVs with lots of electronic gadgets. That's what sells. Not reliable cars.

Posted by: @chondahatesgm

I have a 2011 Honda Accord 2.4 that just hit 200k miles.

Did you buy it new?

Today's consumer public always wants the newest bauble. The current generation consumes more than any other in history. They throw away the most. It's a disposable society. Do we really need new models of phones and cars every year? Do the insignificantly small cosmetic changes they make really justify it? Well, for car manufacturers the answer is "yes, it makes more money. People gobble it up."

Manufacturers only make money on new car sales. 2nd owners aren't even on the radar. The average American keeps their SUV for 5 years before trading it in (based on actual retail transaction data gathered by Power Information Network from dealers across the country. 2021). There is virtually no incentive for them to build cars to last longer than that.  That means the warranty and durability will be engineered with this duration in mind.

People are getting richer. They know you can afford that new SUV, and they want your money.

GM isn't a car company any more. The bulk of their revenue comes from financing.

 

 

 

Posted by: @chondahatesgm

When will GM, Kia, and Dodge learn from all there engine problems?

"their"

You mean when will the government learn? A major source of reliability problems with engines today comes from trying to meet unrealistic government regulation. Turbocharging, cylinder deactivation, Flex Fuel, direct injection, transmissions with 72 speeds, etc. This has nothing to do with the environment. If it did, then they wouldn't be sending record numbers of cars to the crusher. No, it's a tax grab for the feds, and meanwhile the marketing con men at the car companies can repackage their cars as "green" to sell more units to brainwashed do-gooders, and regular folks feeling squeezed by carbon taxes and other nonsense.

 


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Its sad, we are big GM fans at my house, grew up riding in them (2000 buick & 06 yukon) and I bought a 2000 camaro in 2015 while in HS. All three cars were nothing but reliable and still run great (sold the buick a few years back with 150k & no major issues). 

To me, it seems like alot of the issues are coming from them buying cheaper components, like getting the cheapest valve springs possible, which ended up causing a recall. Theyre making them as cheap as possible while still increasing the price as if the quality wasnt dropping. I trust GM's performance cars, and their higher trim trucks seem to take a beating, but thats all. 

I really like subaru & mazda currently, seems like those two are among few that have been increasing quality over the last 20 years. Modern hondas scare me a bit to be honest, older ones are definitely better. 


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All of those OEMs mostly make decent engines - they just aren't interested in selling them to you.

 

In markets where consumers are very aware to the longevity of engines/ transmissions -

these offer different powertrains and even similar cars that are drastically simpler and more reliable.


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