Scotty, what's your thoughts on the new rule that nastf is rolling out about aftermarket tools requiring users to have a vsp to do any type of programming or pin code reading?
That means my autel IM608 that I owned for years will not be able to do any immo type or work including module replacement or anything oem says is security.
like we can't change a radio because it will need a pin code
it's going to make it a lot tougher to sell stolen goods. OEM stereos are already security protected and expensive to install ($1,000 +) if you want one.
Average guys like me will just put in unlocked aftermarket stuff.
How is that right to repair work?
mechanical stuff will be unaffected. Electronics are already impossible to repair for 99% of people. Those are the same group of people who love cheap electronics and gadgets in their cars. Either they have money and will pay whatever it takes for someone to fix it, or they'll ignore it or just get a new car.
The amount of people who actually care about the "right to repair" is about 1%. People now can't even change a tire. There are no skilled techs who can do complex diagnosis either. They're parts changers too.
This is simply what society wants.
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The only way to stop thieves is a longer jail time for their crimes and set bails...
but we both know that's not going to happen.
it's all about politics and money.
it's about the VSP covering their behinds. Now ask yourself why would they need to do that?
why are not the tool manufacturers require to collect our information and run it through FBI or what ever agency before activating it?
isn't that the point of this VSP program?
It's not the point of this vsp program. The rules they are implementing are also going to work against us. Should be the same process as buying a gun. You apply they check your background you pay their fees and here you go. Nastf is requiring you make your own llc, get insurance and proof of business. That means all techs now have to be business owners. How is that right?
thoughts on the new rule that nastf is rolling out about aftermarket tools requiring users to have a vsp to do any type of programming or pin code reading?
they're probably trying to stem the increase of high tech auto theft that's happening.
Do customers want people with access to this stuff to be verified and accredited? Yes I think so.
That means my autel IM608 that I owned for years will not be able to do any immo type or work
is that for new vehicles going forward, or old ones too?
Tool upgrading is kind of part of automotive territory though isn't it?
But that is not going to stop thieves at all. There are other tools not participating in this. What would stop thieves is harder laws and bail system. Punish thieves for their crimes. This is punishing the honest workers and car owners. As people with vsp now will upcharge for work and nothing anybody can do, it's either pay or go to the oem dealer. This I think is just not right at all, it will actually make car owners at a bigger risk if a thief wants your car he will not follow you home and wait to take your car, he will pull a gun or knife and demand your car. And locksmiths will be in deeper situations too as thieves will then want their pins/passwords to program keys to steal cars. This is just upright wrong in all ways.
he will pull a gun or knife and demand your car
I don't think so. That drastically increases his risk factor. The thief wants to do his work undetected, and as problem-free as possible. Most thieves are not violent and run at first sign of trouble.
Locksmiths will be less likely to sell their access to unscrupulous people now.
But I agree that punishments are too soft
There will allways be Chinese knock offs that thieves will use regardless of implementing this or not.
knock-offs are useless without SDRM validation
and isn't that like arguing, "well the theives have lock picks, so there's no use locking my house doors"
The point of stopping thieves is not by restricting the honest person from work, but it is the law and punishment that will make a thieve think twice. SDRM only stops the honest person doing honest work and will not stop a thieve from stealing a car. The point of this is to stop car theft, so why are not the tool manufacturers require to collect our information and run it through FBI or what ever agency before activating it? But still that would not stop thieves. The only way to stop thieves is a longer jail time for their crimes and set bails 500 times the cost of the item they stole that would make them think twice. But this vsp mandate for aftermarket tools to have a vsp is just a hit on the right to repair. If nastf wants my identity and my fees I'll glad give it to them but I refuse to go and get everything that they want just to (example) program modules and add a honda key to a 2000 accord. But anyway there is no answers to this yet it's all about politics and money.
Nastf is requiring you make your own llc, get insurance and proof of business.
good
That means all techs now have to be business owners
why doesn't the tech just use the business owner's license
Did you not read the nastf requirements? Each individual doing programming needs to have vsp or one person with vsp needs to be present to do any work that requires security log in. Of the individual is using someone's else's ID and get caught the vsp holder will be terminated. You see how this is going to be a problem going forward. Anyway nice chatting with you. I'll be looking Into making my own llc with a 1 million dollar insurance or look for tools not signing in to this new nastf rule. 👍 happy Easter
or one person with vsp needs to be present to do any work that requires security log in
good
You see how this is going to be a problem going forward
a small inconvenience perhaps.
I really hope anyone working on my car has insurance to cover any screw ups.
Too many hack mechanics out there.
The shop has insurance and covers all work, not like a vsp which only covers the one person working on your car and if that person does not have a vsp he can't do any work that oem says it's security related. Which will be the whole car soon. I'm just trying to get a understanding in how this is going to pan out with bigger business with many workers and also the local shops that are not aware of this new rule coming to the aftermarket tools and will be caught by surprise. Also the right to repair, where is that standing now if we can't work on our cars, like we can't change a radio because it will need a pin code, that meas pay for someone with a vsp or pay the dealer. How is that right to repair work? There is a lot that nastf is not saying and tool manufacturers are not telling either and i bet they are making new terms to their policies so they don't get sued by the people.
Have you noticed no one else joined this topic? Thanks for your replies.