What is the highest mileage that you have seen on any Tesla? My friend wants to buy one because she wants to go all electric. She currently drive a 2018 Nissan Sentra zero issues.
Tesla has a reputation for poor quality and very expensive repairs (Tesla does not publish repair info). If she wants to go electric for some reason it would probably be best to wait for the electric models coming from major manufacturers.
... other than GM.
See below:
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/how-many-miles-will-a-tesla-last/
Realize Tesla has poor quality control and since they don’t share repair information with anyone you have to go to them for repairs, so imagine what happens when the vehicle is out of warranty - $$$. That’s why I tell folks to lease them under warranty, and also to have another vehicle when their Tesla is disabled (either in the shop or waiting on parts - which can take a while, very frustrating). Another thing too is while ICE is fairly mature, EVs are in their infancy and will continue to get better over time (just look at computers and phones’ evolution over the last 10 years). Plus, it’s not clear which propulsion technology will win out down the line. If she really wants an EV, definitely don’t buy, just lease: I say better to wait for EVs from Toyota or just get a Prius now (albeit hybrid).
Maybe Prius prime or rav4 prime. Best of both (kinda)
WARNING! Vigorous (justified) cursing.
I think it gets the point across.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJqQ4esCQIk
Pretty colorful, Joe. Obviously, another satisfied customer!
@doc the person you can hear expressing their marvel at the car is NOT the owner, but in fact the mechanic on day two of repairing the sunroof, after having removed half of the vehicle interior.
@MountainManJoe , with that amount of work done, the costumer probably will have similar emotions upon seeing the bill. 🤣
Tesla battery locks itself up when it goes flat 😆 Some disassembly required.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE
you would have thought that for the price they could have added a small solar panel just for the 12v battery. Like he said, adding a simple port to charge it would seem to be a given. It was like they didn't even real world test the things before mas producing them.
Ik some dude in Germany has over half a million miles on his Tesla Model S, but he probably got lucky or something. Teslas are poorly made and they are not cheap to buy or own due to their lack of quality when assembling them and the poor dealership network. I predict that the German, Swedish and Japanese brands are gonna crush Tesla for longevity.
Tesla is a total mess - Unlike most hybrids were the battery lasts about 5-10 years, but costs only a couple grand to repair - On Tesla when the battery dies - It is at least 15,000 USD + .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbrIQioiv8k
Also on Tesla there is bad parts availability and no repair information.
That being said, It's most EVs nowadays. Currently, I'm starting to see more and more evidence that the Mach-E is a total mess also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1dQtlrI7uU
I do not currently have any information on the ID4, But knowing modern VW it's also probably a mess...
Just either get a hybrid, maybe a PHEV (like a Corolla or a RAV4, Toyota make the best ones).
If you really must get an EV, I'd recommend the Leaf - That platform (Fluence Z.E, Renualt ZOE, ...) has been around for quite a while and has proven to be reasonably reliable.
@infinitifxfan
VW design is usually quite smart from a manufacturing standpoint, and that’s what they talk about on Munro live. And they don’t even really talk about reliability or dependability - look at their Kia Niro review and the guy that said he’ll buy a Kia Carnival, I’m guessing he doesn’t care or know about the reliability on those.
This design seems to me like an unreliable piece of junk, Having your engine mounts placed inside of the housing (probably requiring you to take it off the car to replace - maybe it’s not ass bad as the Toyota Highlander situation, but still unacceptable) is just an indication of how long they expect it to last. (5-8 years not 15-20, although the battery is probably the limiting factor anyway)
yeah pretty much, they don't really care about the reliability part that much, but they do look into the designs and how they are put together and all in different areas. They have done undercarriage videos on some cars like the Mini Cooper SE which is probably the worst I have ever seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEihk4pH1wc&t=87s
Feels like things are just gonna easily snap off, especially those zip ties that tie the high voltage lines to the undercarriage.
Yeah when it comes to reliability I like to watch AutoStrong-M, those guys actually know what they’re talking about. (Although you’ll probably need to use the subtitles)
https://youtu.be/69vm_Jmz2rM?t=60
I think you’ll find a lot of interest in what powers about 75% of all PSA cars (Citroen, Peugeot, Opel, DS,…)
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And YEP, the mini undercarriage looks horrible, they just didn’t bother spending the money on R&D.
Probably worse then prototype electric cars 🤣
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Really reminds me of CODA just sticking off the shelf EV hardware onto a “Hafei Saibao” (which was a copy of a Kia Forte with an oem Mitsubishi engine thrown into it)
https://youtu.be/sNFB7hS_PxY
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Tbh, I don’t like Munro because I do not care what profit margins the manufacturer had on my car, I don’t mind the company making or loosing money… at the end of the day the price is determined by the market and has little to do with the actual cost of materials or manufacturing…
I don’t like overly price optimized cars, at some point it becomes ridiculous. (Like Toyota skimping out on friction packs on the Camry causing their 6 speed automatics to fail just cause they didn’t want to spend an extra 25 cents on a few more disks)
It’s not like it’s engineered to fail, it doesn’t have a “time bomb” it just too “cost optimized” and doesn’t have enough “extra” durability.
(Continuation the comment above. sorry, I forgot to tag) They also do transmissions,
not many cars on the European market have used conventional automatics, and pretty much no cars in the US have used a robotics (automated manual transmissions)
https://youtu.be/TMjmFuPvvRw?t=33s
I bet no one on this forum has ever seen what’s going on inside a “robotic” - a manual that drives like an auto (although they do tend to feel lazy in 1st gear)
I have a transmission like this on my Corolla (Toyota-PSA C50A)
For the sake of argument, assume that Tesla’s are of decent quality. The biggest problem towards longevity is the battery (and this is true for any EV).
The projected lifespan of a battery is about 8 years. At least that is how long it the warranty is. Maybe longer if you always regular charge. Maybe shorter if you always super charge.
After that, you are on the hook with Tesla to change out the battery, which is $$$.
For some folks that get a car every 5 years, it’s no big deal. For others that like to keep there car for 10, 15, 20 years, it doesn’t make sense at this time.
With that said, the same criticism came with the previous. That the battery would go out and cost $$$. For many Prius owners, it went 10, 15+ years before needing any attention. So the battery criticism could be bunk on the Tesla. Who knows?!
It’s not just the battery, but all the fancy electronics and tech on board that one should be concerned about (even under warranty). And some of their design decisions (see MMJ’s video) makes repairs very tough.
What MMJ videos?
Yes, there is a bunch more stuff of concern. In just isolated the one that makes it significantly different than other high electronic ICE vehicles.
This video posted above by MMJ:
https://carkiller.com/scottykilmer/postid/135745/
I would tell her to keep driving that Sentra and if she rlly wants an EV, I would look into leasing a VW ID4, Audi E-tron, Nissan Leaf, or Ford Mustang Mach-E. I would not get a Tesla if I were her.