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General discussion on Ecoboost engines. Good? Bad? Reliable? Trash? Good idea on Ford or not?

me personally, I think their fine, I’m not sure on reliable, but I fear Ford is just going to far on the Ecoboost thing and should at least put a V8 in the expedition not just V6. IMO. Towing idk.


@rockstarnick
Not a good engine the turbos wear out fast especially on the bigger vehicles


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Trash in my opinion. Especially using the small motor to power their big trucks and SUV's.

 

But hey, what do I know? I've been taking a beating here everytime I say Ford quality is crap. What do I know? I just build, sell, and repair cars for a living. A lot of times it feels like people come here just to argue and already have their mind made up before they post.


@mod_man
Lol true, I just post for discussions (friendly of course) I try to make them not biased as possible. Obviously it’s going to slip in some where


@mod_man
Ford quality is crap. Well said. People here are usually going off Scotty's opinions and not their own. For example, just because Scotty says BMW is a money pit or a Dodge is a rolling pile of junk doesn't always hold true and varies from person to person. I try to stay unbiased and strictly use my experience, not other people's opinions.


@mod_man
Absolutely, I think Mercedes Benz is an amazing car company, he typically says they are trash. I do think dodge is awful, only because I see them fall apart all the time. I personally think Chevys are good. I think anything 96 and older is ford trucks is cool. I don’t really think Honda is all cracked up to be and Toyota I feel gets overhyped sometimes but they are still amazing. Things I don’t like are BMW (over hyped) Jaguars and Land rovers (not a fan of British cars)


@rockstarnick
See these are all different opinions. And that is great to have on a forum like this. What's the point of having a forum that only praises car brands like Toyota and Honda because of Scotty's hype and bashes on others like BMW and Mercedes? It's great to share our opinions.


LOL! Ya made me laugh ModMan!
As with all mfg's, there are good models and bad ones. Also depends on where they are made/assembled.
If I needed a heavy duty truck I'd buy a Ford (non-eco!). Other than that, can't think of a Ford I would buy.


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Well the ecoboost engines are OK in my opinion compared to a V8. They are way more fuel efficient and more powerful. The biggest problem with ecoboost engines (or any GDI/turbocharged engine) is the severe carbon build-up. They need to be walnut blasted every 40,000-60,000 miles to ensure the engine is operating as best as it can. And turbocharged engines in general, especially the twin-turbo setups, are just more complicated compared to your average naturally aspirated engine. And remember that turbocharged engines go through extra wear (but usually this is addressed with upgraded internal parts). Really it's a preference...do you want to sacrifice a good amount of mpg for a V8 that's less complicated and requires one less item on the maintenance list (no carbon-cleaning), or do you want better mpg with some extra work to take care of a more complicated turbocharged engine. This basically goes for any turbocharged vs naturally aspirated situation.


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I find it a waste of time and money to buy a smaller motor to get better mileage, only to spend more to maintain that motor.  To me the important reason to buy V8/V6 is work done.  How do you use the motor?  Is it kept under load a lot?  Or are you taking advantage of the MPG rating?   The V8, in my opinion, would last gooder than the smaller motor carrying loads and in the long run be cheaper to own.


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If you want a powerful, small motor that won't last very long, get a turbo charged motor.  You will go real fast for a real short period of time.  If you want reliability, stick with a naturally aspirated engine that, with proper maintenance, should last for 200K miles, easily.  


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A small engine with a turbo hung on it which was not designed in the first place to make 50% or whatever more power is likely to fail a lot sooner.  But an engine designed from scratch to BE turbocharged and make that level of power can be designed to handle it reliably. Large enough bearings, sufficient cooling and lubrication, all those things. Sure that same engine would last longer if you didn't put the turbo on it, and a V8 engine will last longer if you lower the compression to 6:1. The EcoBoost engines Ford puts in their F150's were all designed from the ground up to be turbocharged. The Ford GT version of the 3.5 EcoBoost puts out 647 hp in the Ford GT... if it can handle that level of power, then the 375 hp my F150's engine puts out is not likely to overtax it. Main bearings and rod bearings only know how much force is being put upon them and whether they were designed to handle it, they don't care whether that force comes from cubic inches or a turbo so long as they were designed to handle it.

(I had an old Ford Ranger 2.8 V6... put a turbo on that thing and it would sure have worn out or blown up very quickly... now Ford has a turbo 2.7 EcoBoost engine that leaves the old 2.8 light years behind.)

Do turbocharged diesel engines fail sooner? Most of them ARE turbocharged, I think, but they usually last a very long time. If piston rings can stand up to a turbo charged diesel then certainly piston rings can be made that will stand up to a turbo gas engine. If turbochargers can hold together on semi truck engines than they can hold together on gas engines. I don't know who makes the EcoBoost 3.5 2nd gen engine's turbochargers but the first gen's were made by Borg Warner - I have to assume they're decent. Ford has been selling their EcoBoost 3.5 engine in F150's for over ten years now, and if they were crap Ford would be in 3rd or 4th place in pickup sales.

One more thing, the direct-injected engines getting carbon deposits on the back side of the valves has been resolved by Ford using injection both above the valves and in the combustion chamber.  The biggest problem with these engines is the complexity - there IS more to go wrong, and if it does it's not cheap to fix, but we have learned to iron out the issues with complexity and reliability to get the benefits while minimizing the risks. A year 2010 car is more complex than a 1960, which one would you take on a cross-country trip, the old one with the simple distributor and carburetor, or the newer one with electronic fuel injection and all those complex sensors? I'd take the latter one. I had way more problems on the olden days with points-distributors and carburetors than I have ever had with fuel injection and electronic engine management systems.

One last thing - a truck mechanic online who has worked on a lot of these EcoBoost engines says that the biggest problem people have with them is that they drive them too easily and never get the turbos working... so the waste gates get stuck from dis-use. He says the best thing you can do is make sure you give the engine a workout enough to get the boost up and work the turbos and waste gates etc. to keep them working freely.


One more thing, I know that these turbo gas engines get lousy mpg's when doing heavy towing. If someone has a lot of towing to do then get a diesel (ugh). For most uses the EcoBoost gas engines provide a great blend of power when you need it and mpg's the rest of the time.


@bullrider
Very well said bullrider! Engineers aren't just slapping turbos on engines that weren't built to handle the extra power and pressure a turbo outputs. I think that's the main misconception regarding turbocharged engines. People think the added power of a turbo wears out the engine faster, but that's not the case if the engine was designed to handle a turbo in the first place. Nicely stated.


Thanks Razmig. If an EcoBoost F150 engine risks a shorter lifespan it would not be because of the turbos so much as either a) they are a lot of fun to 'get on' the power and might get harder use, and b) it IS important to use the best oil and stick to a reliable maintenance schedule. I only use full synthetic oil in my 3.5 EB and every few tanks of gas I toss in a can of Gumout fuel system cleaner with PEA to make sure the injectors and valves stay clean. I love my F150, it can easily get 17-18 mpg around town (over time, not just a quick test) which is better than the Toyota Tundra gets on the highway. Highway I've actually gotten 25 mpg on a 130 mile trip at about 55 with the AC on.


@bullrider
Yes. High quality full synthetic oils are a MUST for turbocharged engines. Someone on this forum was using a synthetic blend for their turbocharged sonata. I've never seen a turbocharged engine that called for an oil lower than full synthetic standards. As long as it is properly maintained, it should last a good while.


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Complete junk in my experience, especially in the trucks and SUV's. If you have a small motor moving that kind of weight, you are going to have issues over time.

 

Of course, Ford's '18+ Coyote V8 engines are HORRIBLE on quality so I avoid Ford all together. But yeah, GDI+Turbo= a lot of strain on that engine. 


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More complexity = more repair costs when it breaks. Don't expect it to last 500k miles without issues.


@g-t
I don't expect anything to last 500K, and I know the complexity is expensive to fix. It's just a progression that vehicles have been making for a long time now. In 1986 when carmakers started going to throttle body fuel injection certainly those systems cost a lot more to fix than old time carburetors, but they proved reliable over time and the benefits far outweighed the repair cost risk. And on the F150 EcoBoosts, like the truck mechanic said online, the most common problem with them is NOT using the turbos and the waste gates getting stuck.

It likely took less than a year for Chevy to learn what a lemon their Vega engine was and it was one of the reasons the public soured on the car. Ford started using the EcoBoost 3.5 (first gen version, not as good as the current 2nd gen) in 2007 in other vehicles and in 2011 in the F150. If it was not proving to be a good engine Ford would have dumped the idea long ago. I can't speak to their 4 cylinder Eco Boost engines, nor to GM's turbo 4 they put in pickup trucks, but I believe Ford's Eco 2.7 and 3.5 are solid engines for typical use.


I just expressed my opinion since it is a general discussion. On the other hand the time will tell how reliable these systems are. I think they should be built like diesel engines to withstand additional pressure that comes with turbo and GDI.


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What is ecoboost anyway? Isn’t it just marketing speak for a Turbo Charged GDI engine?


@kaizen
Yes. That is Ford's name for their turbocharged engine line-up. Just like how Volkswagen calls their turbo engines TSI, and how Mazda is now calling their new turbo engines SKYACTIV-X turbo, etc.


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Whatever your opinion is, get used to a lunchbox engine with a turbo slapped on.

Fact of life, they're a lot cheaper to make than any NA V6/V8.

And makers could care less about longevity or reliability, they want money in their pockets and that's all.


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Had a Ford Flex, all decked out with leather, etc., and the Ecoboost engine randomly died for no reason.  Had to junk it with 160,000 miles on it.  New engine: 8600.00, which I could not afford, and the car wasn't worth that anyway.  Couldn't replace it with any other engine.  Sad day for me and my wallet.


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