Quick question: Ive been looking at both 2018+ Lincoln Navigators and the new 2022 Jeep Grand Wagoneers. Ive read so many complaints from people who've shelled out over $100K and these things are in the shop way too many times, usually for stupid things, all technology related. I know the Jeep is new so I will give that a pass for the 2022 model.
Case in point; Navigators battery's discharge in about 3 days. Story's goes dealers say you must start them every 3 days to keep them charged, What??????? Supposedly you must keep key-fob at least 30' away from vehicle, or put key-fob in a Faraday cage/box.
Jeep, battery replaced 3 times, found out alternator was bad. New vehicle down for weeks because factory had no alternator to ship dealer! Walking to vehicle running boards are to deploy and lower. They don't.....UNTIL JEEP IS PUT INTO GEAR AND DRIVING THEN THEY DEPLOY AND LOWER !!!!
Both vehicles have sync problems with iPhone, etc. ALL issues revolve around this high tech BS!
I drive an 02 Town Car on Panther platform, thing is a tank with great mpg and is like driving a waterbed. Other than keeping the 158,000 mile TC, what are your thoughts? If I drop over $100K and have these issues I will be sucking a tailpipe.
Thanks, Tony in Paranoid, Pennsylvania
@deafsmith46deafsmith467 are you high?
@inthrustwetrust we have a nuisance
Thanks for the heads up @mmj
i'm with you on this one. each year cars get more complicated to the point the owner is only allowed to put gas in the car. keep the T C and save your sanity.
want a jeep? get an old one with the 4 liter inline six and fix it up the way you want it. you'll be money ahead and won't have to deal with some little diode or transistor going bonkers and screwing up one thing after another.
Most of that crap will break before the warranty is up but the dealer will tell you "That's normal."
I am feeling your pain. Which is why I would never buy any vehicle made after 2006. This is the year when it seems that manufacturers really went gung ho in loading up vehicles with superfluous electronic crap that makes people's lives miserable.
Most of that crap will break down after the warranty is up and cost a fortune to fix. I stay away, have never owned a car built this century and may well never own one.
Being an electronic technician, I love technology. But sometimes it's frustrating especially when computers are involved. Most of today's electronics is poorly designed and yet expensive. Most people complain because the stuff is built in China but then I hear my friends complaining about American built stuff. And yet people think things would be better if manufacturing is brought back to the states. Finding people willing to build stuff that is reliable is getting harder to find.
For a purchase, those are wrong vehicles to be looking at in the first place. If you really interested in those vehicles it is best to just lease them and return before the warranty expires. Otherwise, all modern vehicles are essentially computers on wheels and a gamble. But that being said, your best bet is still a Toyota, Honda, or Mazda if you want to minimize your visits to the dealer (under warranty). There is a reason why Toyota is slow to adopt new technology, and for the consumer that’s a good thing.
