Why is Toyota making efficient gas guzzlers? Confused? I am.
Prius: Was a compact car, is now a mid size car, gets worse mpg than older ones. Has a bigger engine in it.
Corolla hybrid: I guess if you want a smaller hybrid, which is what the Prius was originally.
Camry hybrid: Completely pointless, as the Prius is a mid size car.
Avalon hybrid: Even more pointless, has a 2.5L engine >200 hp.
Rav4 hybrid: Even more pointless, SUV drivers don't care about fuel economy. If they do, they wouldn't be buying an SUV.
Highlander hybrid: The most pointless. People in big SUV's don't care about fuel economy in the slightest.
And people actually buy those rav4 and highlander hybrids! WHY? You have an SUV YOU HATE FUEL EFFICIENCY! Oh you don't need an SUV when you have kids as well but that's another conversation!
Back to Toyota, WHY ARE YOU PUTTING gas guzzling engines inside your hybrids??? Just put a 1 liter 3 cylinder engine in ALL of the hybrids, including the SUV ones, and watch the gas mileage jump by quite a bit. Please for the love of Pete, don't turbo them or put GDI or VVT in them.
Please do not make a hybrid truck, they don't care about fuel economy either.
Lexus hybrids make sense, because people want luxury with fuel economy. What is Toyota? A budget brand known for reliability and fuel economy, and safety. Lexus and luxury cars have more tech in them already that makes them smoother riding, more comfortable, etc.
Toyota, like I said, make 1L 3 cyl engines without turbo, gdi, or vvt, and put it in your Toyota hybrids, and for the compact cars, a .5 or .7 liter 2 cylinder engine might suffice.
If anyone asks what's gotten into me, its the SUV drivers that put our family in danger MANY TIMES A DAY ON THE ROAD! I swear its only SUV drivers and truck drivers. Oh tesla and jeep drivers are the worst as well. No I'm never getting an SUV if/when I have kids someday because I'm not becoming part of the problem.
PLEASE help me understand why toyota does that? "Oh were gonna make efficient gas guzzlers"
Dear JoeAceJR - Have you thought about talking with Dr.Phil?
No.
For one thing it's what the market wants. Most people don't want tiny, underpowered vehicles. They want large, powerful vehicles. Another factor is increasingly stringent safety requirements which make cars heavier, requiring bigger engines.
In other words, people don't want this:
They want this:
What is that first car you showed? I want one of those. I say <no profanity allowed. abbreviated or otherwise. Use your 'I'm asking for a loan at the bank' language please> that escalade and all large SUV's.
There should be gas discounts for efficient vehicles and higher gas prices for gas guzzlers. Im talking another $1 a gallon for CUV's, $2 for SUV's, $3 for trucks, same price for all sedans, -$.50 for hybrids. You can combine them also. Ex: You have a hybrid SUV for some reason. You would only pay $1.50 more a gallon. That extra money would pay for infrastructure and fixing our roads.
Well what if I dont want safety garbage that breaks? I just want a super basic ultra high mpg vehicle with a manual tranny. Idgaf about safety. Rate it 1 star. Idc. Just whatever the highest mpg it can get, get it but no turbos, gdi, vvt, or timing belts.
@joeacejr Why? vehicles that consume more fuel already pay more taxes. And why do you even care? Do you even realize how much the prices of your goods and services will skyrocket if you tried implementing such an insane tiered system?
Sorry I wasnt specific enough. Thats just for consumer vehicles.
The tax collected from that would make roads, bridges, and public transport better. We need a much better system of hauling goods from one side of the country to another. Perhaps high speed rail would be an option. If they can implement rail guns to transporting goods from just state to state, trucks could take goods from the distribution center to the county.
Why do I care about SUV drivers and truck drivers acting like maniacs on the road? BECAUSE THEY ARE THREATENING MY LIFE AND ACTING LIKE A$$H0LES! I deal with DOZENS EVERY DAY!!
no, why do you care how much I pay for my gas? You won't see any of that money. How is rail going to deliver goods to your local store? How is your plumbing going to get fixed with rail? I think you are a bit emotional and not thinking straight.
I never said rail would take goods directly to stores, UNLESS we put ALOT of underground rail in, which wouldn't be feasible. The rail would be from California to NY, or Florida to Oregon, or even from California to Nevada. Essentially, high speed rail from state to state, and from distribution center to town. Hybrid delivery trucks would carry from the towns distribution center to the house, store, repair shop. etc.
And I never said I would see any of the money. Its more to incentivize people to drive more efficient vehicles.
I don't see the point of forced efficiency. This is exactly what the government has been doing, and all it's done is make cars less reliable, more expensive, and go to the junkyard sooner.
84 crx: 70 mpg. 116 when modified.
92 to 95 civic vx: Apparently people get 60- 70 out of these.
2021 civic: 42 mpg.
I see 0 forced efficiency. I see the exact opposite while governments pretend to care about it but don't.
the government keeps tightening the laws and what do we get?
- cylinder deactivation that chews up engines and spits them out
- start/stop nonsense that leaves us cold in the winter
- direct injection engines that get so much buildup they self destruct
- "weigh saving plastic" which makes cars fall apart sooner
- multi-stage automatic transmissions that fail sooner
- CVTs that fail sooner
- and on and on ...
- and despite all that, companies still have to cheat to make cars meet the targets.
And yet after all that fuel economy STILL decreased.
You should take your whine home, and have some cheese with it.......
did you sign up to poke Joe? 😆
No, I sent Scotty a question last night....
Little Joey Snowflakes just made it impossible not to poke him!!
there is no forum question from you last night
I see that.....and I wonder why it isn't appearing....
Did you close the page before your submission was finished processing (spinning indicator) ?
Don't think so. I wonder if posts go through an admin scan to filter and use only those deemed "most interesting"........
nope. Nothing from you in the moderation queue. It's as if you never posted anything.
Sorry about that. I hope you didn't lose too much typing. Was a it very personal message to Scotty?
@lance I can assure you that the mods DO NOT discriminate against any questions posted on the forum (unless they go against forum rules). You can check ALL your activity history on this forum, by visiting your profile page & clicking on ‘Activity’.
haha very funny.
Thanks, MMJ and ITWT. I'll try again.
Looks like my question posted on the second try. Thanks, guys!
Where do you get off @joeacejr thinking you deserve a gas discount for driving a car? Guess what keeps America fed, supplied and stocked. The trucking industry the people driving the heavy haulers everyday. The farmers using big diesels and trucks to hoping that the government and John Deere don’t make it even harder for them to do their job. Also, you know how many car drivers have almost killed me over the yrs? It’s a good thing I drive a truck cause I don’t get worried when a see some granola head driving all over the place in his “fuel saver”. There’s bad drivers everywhere driving all sorts of vehicles.
Now where I agree with you
Yes it makes no sense that Americans want fuel efficiency while maintaining peak power. Americans have lost their minds. But it’s the culture now, of course the Government and EPA have their parts to play but what blue collar/ trade worker wants a electric truck? I don’t know of any. They want a good diesel truck or a solid big V8 cause those motors work and have been proven for yrs and yrs. I’m all for innovation and making things better and more effective. But the people in charge of these things could care less and what do they really know about vehicles? I bet they wouldn’t know how to even check the oil on their personal vehicles. You got to have someone like Scotty running GM or Ford or someone who knows the needs of both the farmer and blue collar worker who needs a solid workhorse and the doctor or dentist who just cares about one upping their neighbors with a new pavement princess. It’s all insanity and has been for yrs now.
The tax collected from that would make roads, bridges, and public transport better. We need a much better system of hauling goods from one side of the country to another. Perhaps high speed rail would be an option. If they can implement rail guns to transporting goods from just state to state, trucks could take goods from the distribution center to the county.
Why do I care about SUV drivers and truck drivers acting like maniacs on the road? BECAUSE THEY ARE THREATENING MY LIFE AND ACTING LIKE A$$H0LES! I deal with DOZENS EVERY DAY!!
Also the taxes would be implemented to ONLY consumer vehicles. I said nothing about commercial vehicles.
@joeacejr the gov wouldn’t handle the money that way. the funds would never be used for infrastructure. The Gov doesn’t handle money correctly at all whatsoever. Never has and never will. Infrastructure is the absolute last thing anyone thinks or cares about. Trust me I’m in the business of building and maintaining military infrastructure all over the globe and no one cares till the are forced to care. As I said before there are bad drivers driving all sorts of vehicles. How would that high speed rail be funded? I can tell you it wouldn’t be maintained correctly. I’m 100% with you that America needs to focus on real infrastructure. But as I said no one cares about it till they are forced to and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. You have people in charge that don’t know what real infrastructure is you need people who live that life everyday to be in charge for real maintenance and effective change to happen.
Well we could not have military bases overseas anymore, that would free up ALOT of money. Thats one way to pay for it.
National service funds (or whatever its called) would be a good idea. We did the same thing for telephones, electricity, and highways.
Modern national funds would be high speed rail, upgrading everything to 240 volts, gigabit fiber to every address, and healthcare ONLY for citizens who were born here, or became citizens LEGALLY, and have been citizens and contributing to society for 3 years or more.
😆 who needs national security... I need to download porn at lights speed at the taxpayers expense. Priorities 🙄
haha why do you insist on the US having military bases everywhere when our own veterans are starving and homeless? Why should we protect our enemies? Why waste all that money away when we get NOTHING in return from other countries? We need to protect America and America only. Have troops at our borders to secure them
Oh you would pay for that also. We ALL would. Everything's going online these days, it was very stressed when people kept cutting out on zoom calls because their internet wasn't fast enough. Oh sorry for the confusion also, I meant for there to be a way for every address in America to upgrade to gigabit up/down internet speeds, no matter where you are. If I live in a rural town, I can not get gigabit internet as of now. But if I lived in a city, I could. Oh we also need competition amongst internet providers.
you are a military expert, civil engineer, foreign policy advisor, car designer ... anything else? Your resume must be very impressive.
An internet advisor.
😆 oh yeah I forgot
to maintain world leader with 12.6% market share is my guess
they must be doing something right
Rav4 hybrid: Even more pointless, SUV drivers don't care about fuel economy. If they do, they wouldn't be buying an SUV.
You have a very narrow way of thinking.
What if you need to space to haul things, and you like the high seating position, but you still want to minimize fuel expense? Different people have different tastes you know.
its the SUV drivers that put our family in danger MANY TIMES A DAY ON THE ROAD!
how are they putting their family in danger exactly?
Those are actually very good questions.
Get a trailer to haul. The prius can tow around 1500 pounds.
A high vehicle does nothing but obstructs others and causes the driver to roll over. Higher center of gravity = not good. Low center of gravity = good.
I meant they put ME in danger, because the SUV drivers just drive like maniacs. Thats more/less what im pissed about.
A trailer? THAT is going to use less fuel than if I put my pottery in the Rav4?
Or what if I have a dog and some kids. Put them on a trailer too? I don't think you've thought this through. 😆
I don't know about you, but I don't see many rollovers. I would rather get in a wreck in a Rav4 than a Yaris. The only car I've ever rolled was a compact. And if you're ever in a wreck bad enough, you have more things to worry about than rolling over.
And now maniacs only drive SUVs. Brilliant logic. Bravo.
Kids and dogs can fit in the prius or yaris as well. Scotty himself said him and his 2 boys when they were growing up rode around in I think an 81 corolla.
I never said they only drive SUV's, I said SUV drivers drive LIKE maniacs.
And I never said to out kids or pets in the trailer, idk where you got that from. You can fit 3 people in the back of a corolla with a dog. How do I know? We have done that. Not with a corolla, but with a similar car.
Delivery services exist, amazon exists.
Also I never said anything about trucks as well. Trucks are different because they are meant for hauling. SUV;s are wierd in between cars and trucks. Your not taking 7 kids to a construction site. Plus idk who would take a chevy traverse or a catillac escalade to a construction site.
Grocery shopping can be done with a sedan. Sedans can carry small to medium sized things. Hatches can carry more. You can fold the seats down, and move the front seats up if needed.
A trailer would only be used if absolutely needed. Idk anyone who hauls large pottery every day. That's why cheap work trucks exist. An SUV is like having a trailer behind you all the time in a sedan. "Oh I'm gonna haul pottery once a year so I gonna buy an SUV", "Oh I have 1 kid ima buy an SUV". Haha I grew up in a small coupe. My uncle, grandparents, and parents drove me around in their tiny small cars. No, they dont need an SUV just because they have kids. They want an SUV. Its a want, not a need. Its fine if they want it, as long as they dont weaponize it.
I'd like to see you put a piece of furniture in your Yaris. SUVs are just a lot more practical and versatile whether you like it or not. Anyway well that's your car preference and you're entitled to it. You're probably in the minority though. But I don't hear SUV drivers trying to dictate what car you should buy or how much taxes you should pay.
Id like to see you try to put a full size couch in a Toyota rav4. Oh wait you cant. You have to either have it delivered or have a full size truck.
I don't have a yaris, but you can carry fold up chairs in a yaris and fold up furniture in a yaris. Idk of any vehicle other than a delivery vehicle that can carry a sofa to a house, unless the buyer has a trailer.
you're playing stupid. A Rav4 has more cargo room than a Yaris. The more cargo room you have, the less you need to rent trucks to transport common everyday items.
But hey if you live in the city and that's more convenient for you, then by all means do that. But don't pretend like you know what's best for everybody else.
*looking out at a shop full of big block LS motors, V12 Jags, V10 Lambos, and a few Range Rovers*
........Toyota Hybrids are gas guzzlers? When did that happen?
I could think of many cars that get worse MPG than Toyota Hybrids. I wouldn't consider my Honda Ridgeline to be a gas guzzler at 25MPG, but next to a Camry Hybrid it is.
I'm not sure where you get that point from.
Must be quite a view..
Yeah....too bad they aren't mine. {black}:excitement:
pics or it didn't happen
I was talking about toyota very stupidly putting 2.5L engines into hybrids. Lexus's are different, but toyota hybrids?
Look why do some people buy toyota instead of lexus? They are cheaper. At lower price points, people care about fuel economy more. The fact they put anything larger than a 1 liter cylinder into a budget hybrid baffles me.
from your comment I can tell you've never driven a hybrid on the highway.
They have been planning this for the last decade. They want to hybridized their whole fleet.
I notice in my area people mostly consider only fuel consumption as a main factor that helps them decide what car to buy. And car ads go that way too. So I don't wonder why I see more and more hybrids on roads despite the skyrocket prices they have. Similar goes for small turbocharged and/or 3 cylinder engines.
I took a look for new Corollas there, only normal 4 cylinder (if you exclude VVTI technology) non-hybrid engine avaliable is 1.6L one.
