Hi Scotty,
Thank YOU for your service!
I live in the rust-capitol of MI and need another used truck. I know Tundra's are reliable as heck but I'm also wondering if Toyota did something better than the Big 3 did with their trucks when it came to corrosion resistance before 2015?
I currently have a gas Super Duty but don't need a 3/4 ton truck anymore. It's a toss-up between an older, high mileage Tundra and a newer, aluminum V8 F-150 >80 K miles on it in my price-range. I've never gotten more than 6 years out of a used vehicle before it started rusting-out. Seems like a no-brainer but in a sense Toyota's are typically rock-solid, and I see many Tundra's with better bodies on them than same-year and newer, Fords here in MI.
Thanks in Advance!
99% of people think of necking in other ways when they hear that word

airplanes have a useful life of so many flight hours before they gotta be retired. It's tens of thousands of cycles
This is true for pressurised aeroplanes.
there are some very old airplanes still around. 1960's, 1970's.
They're still fit to fly and they're made of aircraft aluminum.
This is true for light GA aeroplanes.
👍 Thanks wingman
For those that are curious - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/what-determines-an-airplanes-lifespan-29533465/
That's pretty much what I was getting at, good find. My I was concentrating on aerospace for my engineering degree. It was sidelined several years ago but I picked it up again recently.
How do you guys put those GIFs in your comments? Haha.
just copy+paste the URL
The body panels on Ford trucks are aluminum now, not the frame underneath, at least as far as I know. Aluminum is too soft for l that kind of structural duty. The aluminum panels save some weight, but it's expensive to get dents out of, if you're unfortunate enough to hit something or get hit. The panels don't rust, so your wheel wells will stay solid, but the steel frame underneath all of it will. Ford has had issues with their rust inhibitors lately, and I would go Tundra for that reason, forgetting that the Tundra is the much more mechanically reliable vehicle. I don't see many Tundras that are rotted out in Ohio, but I see more than my fair share of Ford, Dodge and GM trucks that are rotted out.
No it's not soft. To be precise, aluminum is very rigid. (That's why when aluminum wheels fail, they crack, whereas steel bends).
It has TWICE the strength to weight ratio of steel.
However ...
#1 - the material costs a lot more than steel
#2 - aluminum requires different, more expensive forming, welding and construction techniques.
#3 - the frames would have to be much bigger to achieve the same strength.
#4 - it fails catastrophically. A single impact in the wrong place can compromise the strength of the whole frame.
Look at the thickness of aluminum bicycle frames versus steel.
Yeah, certain alloys exceed the strength of steel by large margins per unit weight, but your run-of-the-mill aluminum alloys are pretty soft and ductile. We did experiments in materials science comparing the ductility of steel, aluminum and PVC by stretching samples with one of those hydraulic machines. A36 steel was the most rigid (it broke rather than stretching much), PVC was the most ductile, it never really broke cleanly. It just stretched. Haha. Aluminum was right in between. It stretched a lot more than steel (it's called actually called necking, but 99% of people think of necking in other ways when they hear that word, lol). The fact the bike frame is larger also points to aluminum being softer than steel. The larger diameter tubing is compensating for its softness by basically spreading out the load over a wider area.
Aluminum alloy wheels crack rather than bend because they're a high strength alloy, putting dissimilar elements in the aluminum introduces distortions and such in the crystal structure. Rather than bending and shifting atoms within the metal, like a soda can will, for example, the non-aluminum atoms in high strength alloys resist the motion of the bulk aluminum until it cracks under the load, rather than bend. You can make aluminum extremely rigid, but it comes at a price, which is reduced ductility. Forging also commonly used to strengthen (stiffen) aluminum. That distorts the atoms in the structure without introducing dissimilar elements, simply by creating obstructions to atoms' movement. Bending, smashing, etc. on the metal without breaking it causes distortions in the crystals if it exceeds the yield strength. Those distortions strengthen the metal, but it also reduces its ductility and the stuff tends to crack.
I'm off my soap box now, haha. This was my favorite part of my engineering classes.
well of course you wouldn't use pure aluminum for structural parts. It's almost always alloyed. Same as iron.
Structural (mild) steel owes much of its durability to the fact that it's ductile
True, it also tolerates practically an infinite quantity of loading and unloading cycles, as long as you don't exceed a certain limit. Aluminum alloys don't share the same property, airplanes have a useful life of so many flight hours before they gotta be retired. It's tens of thousands of cycles, but still. Nobody would keep those logbooks for their car. Haha.
I thought of the tailpipe I put on on my truck a few years ago, it's aluminized steel. That would stop frame rust, but it's also probably expensive to do.
there are some very old airplanes still around. 1960's, 1970's.
They're still fit to fly and they're made of aircraft aluminum.
Tundra, all day long.
I've never gotten more than 6 years out of a used vehicle before it started rusting-out
Try using undercoating. Apparently the Amish will do it for about 60 bucks.
https://chevroletforum.com/forum/express-g-series-vans-30/oil-spray-undercarriage-110782/
