Scotty, I don't now why you are so down on Kias. I've owned them since 2003 and have never had any issues with any of the two models I've owned (Sedona and Optima). I have a 2008 Kia Sedona EX with 210,000 miles and everything works, doesn't burn any oil, transmission works fine. I have a friend who bought a 3 year old Toyota 4-Runner and had to replace the transmission after owning it a year. So I don't know what Kias you are talking about, but certainly not the ones I've owned.
i dont think you are seeing hate, just honest opinions
I think I'm going to stop telling people on threads like these that they got lucky and just let them buy another Korean junker and find out the hard way. Sometimes people have to take a hit in the wallet or spend some time on the side of a dark road somewhere before they open their eyes and see reality.
Sure Hyundai quality has gotten better. So has the quality of anchovies. You still won't see me owning either ever. They're junk. Better junk than the old junk they used to make, but junk none the less.
I take offence to your knock at anchovies.
{blackemo}:laughtertotears: So you're an anchovie fan? Oh man I can't do those. No way. {black}:vomited:
oh man, soo good. Ever had them on a pizza? Or spread on warm toast . {black}:eat:
{pear}:veryhungry:
{black}:vomited: .....no..... {black}:amazed: {black}:vomited:
Yes, they’re delish! Or roasted in a leg of lamb along with garlic & rosemary..
@mountainmanjoe, @InThrustWeTrust, You know I like you guys...but if we were to ever hang out, I'm bringing my own food. No offense, but that's just how that's going down. You guys can have all that junk you want. I'm just a country boy so I'll keep to my fried eggs and buttermilk biscuits with sawmill gravy, thanks. {black}:laugh:
Hahaha Fried eggs with biscuits & gravy sounds fantastic too!
Well you better share because I appreciate Southern comfort food too. Love me some pork chops smothered in white gravy and hot sauce... fried green tomatoes... collard greens. Could do without grits though.
This was answered in your previous posts. But I'll reiterate:
You are looking at a sample size of 1. The fact that you have had great experiences doesn't mean anything in the big picture, as mechanics like myself and Scotty have seen thousands (him more than me I readily admit) of ones customers have brought in for repairs. With that larger sample size, you get a feeling for what is good and what is bad.
Hyundai/Kia have never made good cars. Ever. The new stuff they have beats the old stuff, but the old stuff was comparable to Yugos. If you like rolling the dice, good for you. But when your luck changes you can't say you weren't warned.
A google search will pull up the class actions against Hyundai/Kia because they can’t figure out how to build proper working motors. And after getting caught they blame the owners and refuse to make things right. I wish they’d get out of the US and just remain overseas.
Heck, even the local Koreans don’t want them! Hyundai was forced to discontinue the Kona EV in South Korea, thanks to them catching on fire..
I've never had an issue with the motor on any KIa I've ever owned. These Kia horror stories have not been my experience with this brand. If one recalls, GM and Chrysler went bankrupt and had to be bailed out b the US government and have never been able to build a quality product ever since. Even Scotty says they are junk now.
@papi544 that’s great you’ve had a good experience and got lucky with your Kia. You’re right, and I think that GM and FCA shouldn’t be around anymore. It’s anti capitalism what the US Gov did for GM and FCA in my opinion, if you make crap and no one buys it than you either change it or go out of business. NO BAIL OUT. With that being said, there’s is ample evidence that Hyundai/Kia for the last decade are not able to build proper working motors. And they are being very shady about it.
i have never owned a Kia, but i do believe that some brands have a higher probability of failure than others
also,
i own a jeep, and folks on here say hurtful things lol
At least I can understand the appeal of Jeeps. They have unique looks. Some of them you can offroad with.
What do Kiundais have? Nothing. Just ordinary ugly cars that fall apart.
Lol, I'd take a Korean car over a FCA product any day!
The major issue is that it's a Kia. Killed In Action.
Congrats on getting lucky. The junkyards of the nation are filled with the remains of those that didn't make it. There's A LOT of them too.
Well, I must be the luckiest person in the world. I've owned KIAs since 2003 and have never had a major issue with any one of them. I must live a charmed life. And there is also the fact that many, if not most, people do not take care of their vehicles and do not do regular maintenance as directed. But they are usually the first ones to blame the brand when something goes wrong. People are notorious for thinking that all you have to do to a vehicle to keep in on the road is put the key in the ignition and go.
I've seen Kia/Hyundai cars that were well maintained fail with 15k miles. Not sure what your point is. You are one person, buying a few cars. The VAST amount of people are not so lucky. Why do you think they HAVE to offer the warranty they do? Because otherwise nobody would buy them. Why do you think you can get them used at 100k miles for a 12 pack of Pepsi and a bag of Ruffles? Because nobody wants them. Why is that? Because....they're junk.
Most people have a prejudice against this brand for some reason. I have a friend of mine who owned a BMW whose engine caught fire sitting at a red light. No explanation from the dealership was offered. Lemons come in all sizes, shapes and brands. Buying a car is a gamble no matter what the make or model. I have had good luck with KIAs, and my dealership has a super service department, so I have no complaints to share with anyone about the brand.
I think one possible answer to quality in general is that most KIAs made in Korea were good. When they started building them in the US that is when the quality could come into question. Mine was assembled in Korea. GM and Chrysler/Fiat are junk in my opinion. Terrible transmissions and bad engines. This is directly from Scotty's own personal quotes.
So what you are saying is, the OLD Kia's....that were known to be junk....are better than the "improved", newer ones? {black}:gape:
People seem to to have an incomprehension of statistics.
The personal anecdotes are nice and all, but they are drops in the ocean. Forget about them. If you want to talk about the reliability of an entire car brand, you have to consider significant portions of the number being sold (such as the hundreds of thousands being recalled for self-immolating).
Think about what that means. Your Kia might be fine, and your neighbours, and even 10 of your friends might be satisfied. If only 1 Kia in every 100 catches fire, that's still 10s of thousands of cars and possibly deaths.
Does 1 in 100 sound like good chances of suffering a catastrophic failure (at best), and death (at worst). Hell no. I would have to be crazy to volunteer for that.
We keep telling you this , and you keep telling us which of your friends like their cars that haven't caught fire yet. It doesn't matter.
*applause*
Usually the engine blows up or they catch on fire, but this is relevant to the 2010+ ones the earlier ones were lower quality but they were so mechanically simple they could last longer than the newer ones.
There doesn't seem to be anything "mechanically simple" about the engine in my 2008 Kia Sedona. As mentioned above, I started buying KIAs in 2003 and have never had an engine fire or a blown engine. I am still driving my KIA Sedona with 210,000 miles and very pleased. Everything works and it looks brand new. I take care of it outside and inside and have always maintained it at the proper intervals. I think this has a lot to do with how long vehicles last in general. Vehicles don't usually blow up unless something has been neglected or maintenance is ignored. This has been my own personal experience and I cannot speak for others. Thank you for your feedback.
I'm going off of our 2009 Kia Sportage. Naturally Aspirated engine, 4 speed automatic... none of the DCTs or turbos modern ones have. They started having engine issues at the US plants, back then they were made in Korea. They could last 200k miles or so the newer ones generally 50-120k miles.
A google search will pull up the class actions against Hyundai/Kia for not being able to figure out how to build proper working motors. Absolutely stay away for longevity purposes.
Recent models from Hyundai/Kia are much more prone to serious problems than those from the early 2000s. Today's cars are extremely complex, much more so than even just 10 years ago. Given their large number of catastrophic engine failures and recalls for dangerous faults (like possibly setting your house on fire if parked in the garage) it appears evident that company has failed at quality control in the face of that complexity. Their new cars are experiencing disastrous failures that many of us don't even see in cars that are decades old with multiple hundreds of thousands of miles on them.
The sweet spot for those cars seems to be from the early 2000s to about 2009 or so, before so much complex, questionable technology was incorporated into them. If the company could even get their quality back to the level they had back then you'd probably see less criticism of their products here.
Same, 2009 Kia Sportage no problems.
The ones 90s and before were absolute piles of scrap, the ones 2010+ are plain junk. You and I got lucky and have the simple made in Korea reliable ones I guess.
I guess we did get lucky. I have a neighbor who bought a 2018 Kia Sportage and so far they are not having any issues with this vehicle. I think Kias have gotten a lot more reliable over the years. I love my Sedona and do not wish to trade it in for a newer one. The paint job is beautiful, I keep it polished and service it regularly. It's the best vehicle I have ever owned.
I can almost gurantee that before 100k miles the engine will go out on the newer Sportage if that does happen keep us updated they usually start having engine problems between 50 and 100k miles
But we were going to buy a Sedona as well but decided on the Sportage they are pretty nice for how cheap the prices were and the value oriented look.
What is wrong is the price for a new Kia is similar to the price of a new Toyota. Kia resale value is less than a Toyota. Why buy a Kia in the first place?
This feels like deja vu again. Every automaker needs to step up when it comes to reliability and standing behind their product (also includes customer service). I am a fan of the truth (and not loyal to any brand) and just follow the data. Anyhow, the day these automakers make good products again that will last we will recommend them and we also call out even the reputable ones when they mistep. Until then, I can’t recommend the Hyundai/Kia ones behind 2010. A simple search here shows members have had problems with the newer ones.
Keep in mind you have two cars. Scotty has worked on hundreds.
True. But I have known very expensive cars to blow engines (a friend's BMW), and a friend's Toyota 4-Runner had to have its transmission replaced. It all depends on the vehicle, where it's made, what day of the week, etc. You get lucky or you don't...no brand is consistently perfect.
What you are describing is gambling. Sure you can roll the dice and you might get lucky, but probably not. The odds are stacked against you.
No brand is perfect, but some are better than others. I will pick the brand without engines that explode into fireballs. Not gonna risk my hard earned money on that.
https://kiaenginesettlement.com/
'nough said.
Affected vehicles (as of March 1st, 2021):
2011-2019 Kia Optima
2012-2019 Kia Sorento
2011-2019 Kia Sportage
Wow 213K that is impressive. I guess if you take care of your car and drive very conservatively you can keep them a long time but that is pretty rare because Kia's typically don't last too much longer than 100K miles.
I also have a friend who bought a 2003 Kia Sedona and is still driving it today and he's rough on vehicles. Again, it all depends on the luck of the cards. Kias have a good warranty (10 years or 100,000 miles) so they don't seem to be too worried about their engines or drive trains failing. Mine drives as smooth as the day I bought it. And remember, most people don't take care of their vehicles at all and then they blame the car when something goes wrong.
See link here: with all due respect, I will listen to what a mechanic who has actually seen up close and worked on countless vehicles over 53+ years has to say. Remember you will always find outliers in any big sample space of data.
https://carkiller.com/scottykilmer/qa/hyundais/#post-64597
@Papi544: what made you get a Kia in the first place? What are its selling points versus other brands? And if you bought a new car today, what car would you get?
I think this topic has run it's course. It's becoming repetitive and going nowhere.
Topic locked.
We are not doing this AGAIN. Locked. And please no more.
My girlfriend's Kia Soul has over 250k miles on it and no major issues.
Luck of the draw I guess, but this is her second one and her first one had over 200k on it as well before it got totaled by insurance in a small collision.
I feel like the Souls might be better than most of them.
My buddy's Optima had the engine blow up, luckily right before the warranty expired.
With all due respect, not sure what point you are trying to prove. Once again I trust the reputable mechanics that work on them and their assessments.
I agree. If you take care of anything, it will take care of you.
oh yeah it'll take care of you alright. You won't have to worry about your house anymore when you find the charred remains.
Proper care and maintenance won’t fix poor engineering and use of bargain parts and crap electronic components.
I have a question to all the KIA haters out there (sorry if that is too strong a word), but from what I can tell, some are pretty hostile to the brand. Anyway, I would like to understand how it is that after owning and driving KIAs since 2003, I’ve managed NOT to have one single, major problem with any of the vehicles I’ve owned. I hear many say “you’re lucky to get 100,000 miles out of any of them.” So my question might be how is it that I’ve managed to have a very positive experience with the brand for all these years? I now drive a 2008 KIA Sedona EX with approximately 209,000 original miles and have had no serious issues with the engine, transmission, differential, air conditioning, heat, or suspension. It doesn’t burn oil, it still gets about 23 mpg open road and around 19 or 20 city driving. Either I am living an “automotive charmed life” or I am the luckiest person on the planet when it comes to choosing a vehicle. I take care of them since it is for most, the 2nd most expensive purchase they will make in their lifetime so it makes sense to take care of it for financial reasons if for no other. I have done scheduled maintenance; I have waxed them at least twice a year and my present vehicle and the others have always been garaged when not in use. I do realize that sometimes people get stuck with lemons with any make. And based on what I have been reading about people’s opinions of KIA, I should have experienced at least one since 2003…but that hasn’t happened. I would have to conclude that some brands are better than others; some are cheaper than others; but that doesn’t preclude what the life of any vehicle will be or could be with proper maintenance.
I've read several people make general statements about the longevity of the KIA brand. I've read that you usually only get about 100,000 miles and then KIAs are toast. I would like to know what is the usual major malfunction that occurs at 100,000 miles that make this brand undesirable. I have a 2008 Kia Sedona EX with 210,000 miles and runs like new (that is no exaggeration). Just curious...
I merged your two topics since it's essentially the same question.
@mountainmanjoe Thanks for all you do keeping the forums tidy. Figured here was as good of a place to say it as any.
I do what I can with what I've got.
We can debate the merits of this brand or that brand forever in forums. People will go with the one they feel is best suited to them. I don't have access to junkyard inventories, so I cannot say they are filled with KIAs, so I don't make comments that show obvious bias....I try not to do that. As long as my KIA keeps running, I will keep driving it. 210,000 miles is not bad testimony to what KIAs can do. Scotty has said GM and Chrysler/Fiat are junk vehicles as well. He doesn't recommend anyone buys them. So he must know what he's talking about since he works on thousands of vehicles.
For the record, because I feel like you took a shot at me there, due to my business I actually DO have the records to MANY junkyards and I CAN attest to them being filled with tons, literally, of Korean crap. Not biased. Facts. Yes, you making a thread about how great your car runs and how your personal experience automatically negates all the other experiences of all us mechanics, the reviewers, other customers, etc. IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY is you being biased. Dude, your whole thread...the whole purpose for you even being right here, right now...is hypocritical of everything you just said. {black}:deceitful:
Mod Man usually doesn't explode like this Mod Man is basically a clamer version of Joe why did you have to get him mad.
Sadness
@Mod_Man Totally agree with you, man. He's owned two Kia's and makes a blanket statement about every Kia ever made. Seriously beginning to suspect he's being paid to promote their products...
@Kerem {black}:laugh: A calmer version of Joe. That's hilarious. I can see that though. I wasn't mad though. Just wanted to clear the air as it sounded like someone was saying my comment was biased when it was based on facts. I've found this thread more like a troll thread than anything serious. Lol. So don't be sad friend. @Pulp Friction Yeah I don't understand the point of the original post to be honest. Some people have Jaguars that don't break (so I'm told). It doesn't mean they are good cars overall. I suppose I'm done busting OP's chops as he really hasn't asked a question or needed help. Really just seems like he didn't like Scotty's honest views on Kia and decided to come post and tell him he is wrong. Thing is, he isn't wrong at all.
Just talking about my personal experience. If you feel that way, I guess no one's comments can really be trusted on any chatrooms since you feel they could all be suspect to bias and influence. I am an honest person who joined this chat room to tell about my experience with my vehicle. If you choose not to believe it, that is your right. What others think of me or my comments really are not important. I just thought I would share some honest history of my experience with this brand. I have a life...and I am done here. Have a nice day.
I believe you that you like your Kia. That has never been in question. We just think Kia isn't a good car brand, and there's a mountain of flaming evidence behind that opinion which dwarfs your handful of experiences. You seem insistent wearing blinders, and ignoring the overwhelming facts. Ignorance is bliss I guess.