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Hi I needed your support in determining which used car out of these six is the most reliable. Please could you rank these for me. I live in the UK if that helps. 

 

I appreciate that normally Hondas would be far more reliable than the German cars. However, would the oil dilution issues with the Honda Civic 1.5T and with the extra complexities/costs associated with the 2022 Honda Civic being a hybrid, suggest the German cars are more reliable in comparison? 

Honda: 

in the UK we only have the option of a self charging hybrid or turbo charged in the newer models. 

1) Honda Civic 1.5 turbo 2019 Auto transmission 

I am aware of the oil dilution issues but I acknowledge that these are non hybrid. 

 

2) Honda Civic 2.0 Self charging hybrid 2022:

I recognise that Scotty recommends Hondas for their reliability but is not keen on ECVTs or Hybrids which are both associated with this model.

 

3) Mercedes A200 petrol/A35 AMG

I am aware that the A200 is a 1.3 L and the engines are made by Renault whereas the A35 AMGs are made by AMG. However, the A35’s are AWD which adds more complexity.

 

4) Volkswagen Golf 1.5 R Line/GTI ~ both Petrol and DSG

I recognise that VWs have electrical issues and the 1.5 L R Line has cylinder deactivation technology which Scotty does not recommend. The GTI is a 2.0 L which does not have cylinder deactivation. 

5) Audi A4 2.0 L 40 TFSI petrol 

6) BMW 320i 2.0 Litre petrol 


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Posted by: @jas123

2) Honda Civic 2.0 Self charging hybrid 2022:

I recognise that Scotty recommends Hondas for their reliability but is not keen on ECVTs or Hybrids which are both associated with this model.

The Civic hybrid isn’t a CVT nor an eCVT. Technically, it doesn’t have a transmission. They just say eCVT so people don’t get confused, but it still adds to the confusion!

When I think eCVT, I usually think of Toyota’s planetary gear set in combination with electric motors. 

Honda just has two electric motors and a clutch.  The electric motor drives the car from 0-45 mph, and the ICE engine kicks in above those speeds. Otherwise the ICE engine is generating the electricity for the electric motor. There are no “gears”. The clutch is what connects and disconnects the ICE engine from driving the car or just generating electricity. That’s what makes it, for a lack of a better term an “eCVT”. 

 


Thanks would that make it more reliable than the other vehicles I mentioned including the Honda civic 1.5 turbo non hybrid?


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Posted by: @jas123

Thanks would that make it more reliable than the other vehicles I mentioned including the Honda civic 1.5 turbo non hybrid?

The hybrid system is so new, it’s hard to say the long term reliability. With that said, with the small sample size and time, the hybrid seems to have lesser problems than the turbo.

And historically, although Honda hybrids aren’t as popular as Toyota hybrids, they have been relatively reliable. 


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