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Scotty,

I have been chasing down an issue with my 1986 Chevy C10.  It has some type of electrical issue with the interior lights.  When the headlights are on, the cab light turns on slightly, and the instrument panel lights do not turn on as they should.  When I rotate the headlight switch to turn on the cab light, it does click into place and the cab light gets brighter, but the instrument panel still does not light.

 

So far I have tried:

-Replacing instrument panel lights

-Replacing headlamp switch

-Running new ground from headlamp switch through firewall and directly to truck frame

-Checked rear lights, head lights, and all associated grounds

 

I've been wrestling with this issue for a while now and my entire instrument cluster is currently disassembled.  Would really appreciate some feedback!  Thanks!


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You’re really jumping around there. Maybe just check if you have Power and Ground at the dash cluster connector terminals that light up the instrument lights.

Grab a test light. Unplug the connector to the cluster.

Turn the lights on and turn the dash light dimmer clockwise to “bright”.

That C10 had 2 options for the dash cluster. One was With Gauges and one was Without Gauges (w/o gauges had warning lights instead of the gauges).

In both options, the Grey Wire on the cluster connector provided power to the Instrument lights (from the dimmer switch thru the 5 amp INST PNL fuse) and Ground was provided through one of the Black Wires on the connector. 

So attach the test light’s alligator clip to a good Ground and touch the probe to the Grey Wire’s terminal on the connector with the lights on and the dimmer on “bright”. The test light should light up if power is present.

Now attach the test light’s alligator clip to positive battery power and touch the probe to the Black Ground wire’s terminal on the connector. The test light should light up if Ground is present.

 

Here’s some helpful images I found. The 1st is the Connector Terminal Numbers for the dash cluster Without Gages.

The Grey Wire at Terminal 2 is the Power to the dash lights from the dimmer switch. The Black Wire at Terminal 9 is the Ground for the Dash Lights.

 

This 2nd image is the Connector Terminal Numbers for the dash cluster With Gauges.

Power to the dash lights still comes in thru the Grey Wire at Connector Terminal 2. But the Ground for the dash lights is on the other side of the connector at the black wire at Terminal 10.

 

Those images are for an older Chevy but that connector didn't change much and you can look at the Instrument cluster pinout chart to confirm that.

 

While you have that connector disconnected you can test your gauge illumination lamps and pcb by applying Power to the pin on the cluster that corresponds with connector Pin 2 and Ground to the pin on the cluster that corresponds to connector pin (either Pin 9 OR Pin 10) depending on your cluster type.

The lights should light up if there’s no issue within the cluster.

 

If you aren’t getting Power on the Terminal 2 (Grey Wire) on the cluster’s connector, then you can use a multimeter to check for power and continuity in the circuit to nail down where the problem is.

Power from the Dash Lights dimmer terminal on the light switch goes through a Dk Green wire to one side of the 5 amp INST PNL fuse.

It exits that fuse through a Grey wire that splices to the Heat/AC Control illumination, the Convenience Center, and goes to the Terminal 2 Pin on your cluster connector.

 

 

(you can enlarge the images)


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It sounds like the wire from the cluster dimmer switch to the cab light is OK but not to the instrument cluster.  It may have come off a solder joint at the rheostat (cluster dimmer switch) or the dimmer switch itself is bad except when you turn it all the way to turn on the cab lamp.  When you say "head lamp switch" are you talking about the headlight switch on the stalk or the dimmer switch on the panel?  A new dimmer is available for O'Reilly, #2DS5 for $20.


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Start with @Jack62 's suggestions with checking that everything is receiving the right voltage. I've had similar quirky things happen with my '79 Catalina since resurrecting it in April. The good news is that there is no BCM in these relics, and there are very few relays. Switches generally connect directly to light wiring, etc. Use a multimeter and check your voltages at the harnesses and check them in your fuse box. I use a Harbor Freight model and it works fine. That will help tell you where a wiring problem is, if one exists. My Catalina's headlights went out from a faulty dimmer switch and I checked the power at the harness before putting a new one in. The voltage was correct. Lights work with the new switch. My horn also did not work. I had power at the fuse, but not inside the pad of the steering wheel. That was a combination of a bad relay, blown fuse, and corroded leads to the horn. You may have a bad spot in your light dimmer switch's rheostat. My Catalina's dash lights go out if you twist the dimmer through a small area of its travel. 


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I still bet my money on a bad dimmer switch.  At least it lasted 36 years.


That was my first thought too, @doc. Particularly because of the way his dome light illuminates dimly when he turns on the instrument lights.
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Looking at the dome light circuit I thought that the terminals inside the light switch for the instrument lights and the dome light ground were shorting out
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But he says that he replaced the Light Switch already.

I still think that short is occurring somewhere in the circuit. That the lower voltage that's exiting through the variable resistor for the instrument panel lights is in contact with the Ground circuit of the dome light
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The dome light always has 12 volts going to it . It's controlled by one of three grounds to turn it on
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One ground is provided by the control on the Light switch and the other 2 grounds are the door jamb switches
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What else could be pulling a little current across that dome light filament only when he turns on the instrument lights?
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He said he replaced the "headlamp switch", not the dimmer switch. When he turns it all the way, it contacts the pin at the end of the resistance coil spring turning on the dome light. Either the pin that slides along the resistance spring is worn out or there's a break in the rheostat somewhere.


I am not talking about the high/low beam floor switch.


The headlight switch is the dimmer switch on his 86 C10


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