For the EV "haters", what would make you jump ship towards getting an EV?
Price, Price, Price.
When someone can make a nice midsize that isn't tech'd up to hell (has dials and knobs), I will consider one.
I'm also turned off by the length of charge, and the fact that the electricity you are burning in this car isn't much more efficient than an ICE.
I feel you on the "isn't tech'd up to hell". There must be a market for us people like that, and a make willing to do it.
There is nothing that would make me "jump ship" to buy a battery-powered vehicle for a variety of reasons ranging from price to practicality to long-term viability to the politics of them being forced onto the marketplace.
I feel like if it wasn’t so political, we would be there already.
Yes, if it were permitted to simply develop with the normal advent of technological progress to compete in the marketplace rather than being forced by government edict I would have no objections. Might even be convinced to buy one if the price was right and it was truly better. (If that were the case nobody's arm would need to be twisted to do so.)
At this stage in their development, they just are not worth the price. An internal combustion engine has hundreds of moving parts and cost about $30K. An electric motor has one moving part and they still want $30K. And who wants to spend another $5k in a couple of years for a new battery pack? No thanks.
I totally feel you on the "simplicity" of an EV compared to its price. Outrageous!!!
while it's true that the electric motor rotor is one moving part, the electronics required to drive electric motors are very complex. It's not your dad's simple washing machine motor. Cheaper silicon chips is the driving reason why we see more electric motors in everything from power tools, to drones to electric vehicles now. Before that they were too complex and cost prohibitive. Combine that with volatile batteries that can store kiloJoules of energy. I wouldn't call it simple at all. It may not have as many moving parts, but it's a different kind of engineering challenge.
I appreciate that, Joe. I always wonder, though, whether manufacturers are trying to figure out demand or create demand. I also wonder what the actual range of these vehicles is if you use the heater or AC. It must just kill it.
@mountainjoe: I totally know what you mean by more complex, that’s why I used the word “simplicity” in quotes. In many ways the system is simpler, and the same time, the components are complex.
Battery EV... maybe never. Some other kind of EV, we'll see. It's just not mainstream yet. Give it another decade
In the future, I would only consider an EV if the price is the same or cheaper than a comparable gas vehicle, has as much range if not more than a gas vehicle, take less than 5 minutes to fully charge the battery during a road trip, have repair/service information so other mechanics can work on them, are reliable and durable and can last 15-20 years and put 300,000+ miles on them, especially the electronics (which I am sure will fail long before the battery and motor), the total cost of ownership (including repairs) is on the same level if not cheaper than a gas vehicle. Finally, they must be more reliable than the Toyota products, both short term and long term. This is my wish list for EVs (good luck!) In short, the new technology (EV) needs to match and exceed the current gas power vehicles in order for me to even consider it.
Give me the EV technology of a Tesla, inside the quality of a Toyota, with the performance of a Honda, the looks of a Mazda, the timelessness of a Porsche, a dashboard with old school knobs and switches, can refuel faster than an ICE, at the price of a base Kia, then I'm on board.
The technology of Tesla? Are you kidding? They're a joke. Just look at their trucks.
As far as I can tell, they have the longest running battery and the best designed electric motor than any other company on the market at the moment. The Model S, The Model X, The Model 3 and The Model Y. All those have pretty amazing tech in it. Their quality of fit and finish is shit. And I hate their user interface. But the core tech is amazing.
How long will this "core tech" last in the real world and what will it cost to fix it when it breaks? Can it be expected to last 20 years or more like a gasoline-powered Toyota? I personally have no interest in "amazing tech" and far prefer the K.I.S.S. approach.
Do all new Teslas come with the appropriate fire extinguisher?
You gotta remember my requirements. Tech of Tesla with the quality of Toyota, etc...
The only EV's I like are etesla's and the mach e but they're all expensive. For me it would be suppling a nice vehicle that's good for the price because any new EV options aren't that nice. For me it's really just finding an EV that's really nice and not expensive bc for that same price I could get a way better gas vehicle.
Waiting for battery tech to get better. Legit. Current batteries cannot keep up with modern tech. Always a power draw issue and long recharge times as people say. If you think to say the invention of the smartphone with a touch screen and how far that has come in like 20 years. We've been using lithium ion for over twice as long. To put that into cars now and the range to battery ratio is kinda ridiculous. Engineering explained it a good video on it compared to a gas car. Which is why you see no EV Semi's rolling around. It's completely not viable as much as people want to believe and dump millions of dollars into magic beans. They say that cobalt is the new gold since it is the material easiest to use for solidstate batteries. Bit we shall see. Also price. That be nice if it was knocked down just a tad lol.
Reliability and longetivity in comparison with ICE vehicles. And no battery renting crap. Well EVs are going to be a must in less than 10 years in EU.
I wonder why Australians wish them.
I probably want an EV that has Toyota reliability, Honda Performance, Honda interiors, the way the Honda drives, decent price, and decent tech in normal gasoline cars. I won't change into EV just yet because I want to maintain my car and I don't want to be the lazy person. My dad told me that he will change into an EV when he retires. So he doesn't have any maintenance.
brand new full size sedan 500 mile range under 10k$ and guaranteed to last atleast 10 years without breaking
good luck with that
yep
Developed charging infrastructure similar to gas stations, charging speed as fast as filling the tank up or better, EV range not affected so much when you turn everything on at night. Price too, but it can only go down if demand for it goes higher that major manufacturers are given incentive to really scale up production.
That said, I'm kinda rooting for hydrogen fuel cells than plug in EVs since the biggest question, if not one of the biggest, is how to extract the hydrogen cheaply, cleanly and efficiently. If someone can crack that, the plug ins may have a run for its money.
I'd have a Tesla tomorrow if the infrastructure was there. Need more charging stations and home charging solutions.
I'd rather hydrogen though. But it has the same problem.
