Do you think Honda secretly compete Toyota's reliability in different engine categories like turbo-charged engines? Or they just compete in sporty category?
I feel Honda makes the best engines out there honestly. They make more every year than any other manufacturer, and their failure rate is extremely low.
That said, Toyota makes a high quality product and, without disrespecting Mazda, I believe they are the two top Japanese brands. With that comes natural competition.
My personal take: Honda makes a quicker, sportier, more tech-heavy vehicle than Toyota. If you want speed and features, Honda is the way to go.
However, if you want luxury and longevity, I would recommend going Toyota.
Both are good brands with really good products, and if you go with either you are still getting a MUCH better car than what Stellantis can offer you, there's really no arguing that.
Oh god... I forgot Stellantis was a thing... What a waste of resources... Haha!
Lol truth!
I don’t think it’s a secret at all that they compete. They are both huge manufacturers. History says Honda makes better motors with a failure rate of 1 in 344. Toyota’s is 1 in 171. But I would say Toyota builds an overall better vehicle.
Does that failure rate include motors from both automakers from the last 5 years? I am not impressed by the direction Honda has taken with respect to their motors in the last few years.
To my knowledge those number are current for across the board of every motor both manufacturers make in the last 5-10 years or so. @daywalker
@USAFdozerpilot - where can I find the failure rate data you mention above? Not doubting you, just think it’s good information to have for my own reference. Would be interesting to see the failure rates of other manufacturers as well.
@daywalker I will get it to you just need to remember where I put it.
When Honda was making naturally aspirated I4 engines with port injection (only, no GDI), they were much better. While (almost) every automaker has taken a hit in reliability over the years, Honda’s reliability has diverged even more compared to Toyota’s. I am not impressed by the direction Honda has chosen to go with their smaller turbo GDI engines (now they do have a naturally aspirated port injection engine, but you have to really look hard), including cylinder deactivation. Toyota at least on their GDI engines still offers port injection (yeah it adds more complexity, but I’d rather have it to mitigate carbon buildup on back of their intake valves, plus it’s proven technology for them), and they still have mostly naturally aspirated engines in their line up. Plus, they have not dabbled with the cylinder deactivation nonsense - for now. Overall, while I still hold Honda in the Top 4 for reliability, I would still choose a Toyota engine over Honda for longevity. Now, if I wanted something more sporty (at the expense of reliability) I would take Honda.
