Even with that 1.5L plagued by oil dilution, does Honda still make some of the best engines? But what about Toyota? Some of their engines were known for burning oil. However, Toyota still does non turbo engines where everyone else is going to turbos which won’t last as long as the N/A.
I would put Honda first. They make the most engines and have an excellent failure rate.
Interesting: we have 1 vote for Honda, 1 for Toyota, and 1 for Mazda about who makes the best engines 🙂 Anyone confused yet?
@DayWalker
No one who had to work on the dynamic force (M20A) or the new Civic 1.0L can possible be confused. 🙂
Those two make even the EcoBoost (“fox 1.0” / “dragon 1.5”, love those. not the older ones that actually are terrible) look not that bad.
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It’s not about who makes the best engines, it’s about who doesn’t make total junk.
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The skyActive surprised me a lot, I used to dislike Mazda, but their new engines just do not wear out at all. I’ve seen the Mazda2 get around 180,000miles (300,000 km) and still drive as smooth as new ones do (as opposed to the old Mazda2 that starts loosing power after 60,000 miles (100,000km). It’s a new high tech engine that reliability wise matches the Toyota ZR and outperforms it in everything else with a margin.
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And as much as I love the R series from Honda, EarthDreams has fallen short of everyones expectations. Feels like an attempt to beat PSA at their own game (the Civics main rival globally is the Peugeot 308)
As a response PSA released an updated prince THP165 that actually seems to be a solid engine that lasts about the same as an EarthDreams.
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its pretty safe to say that the new king of engines is Mazda.
The Toyota dynamic force tends to fall apart way too early, compared to the older ZR series that was almost perfect. Also the new 1GD engine in the euro spec Land Cruiser ruined this car for me, clunky, slow and tends to knock or clutter like crazy.
as far as Honda… well the 1.5L suffers from oil dilution, the 1.0L is just a total mess but the 2.0 seems to be quite good.
On the other hand although the SkyActive does tend to burn a bit of oil even when new from the factory, it’s still a good engine that can consistently go over 200,000 miles. Mazda has been making very good engines for quite a while including the 2.0 used in the Miata and on many Volvo models.
Dan, what about in the US market?
@dan I don't think the answer has nothing to do with the US market. But anyway, thanks for replying for global markets.
@DayWalker, @legendaryslayer
I talked only about the US market only, I just happen to work on new cars and know right from the get go what is a good engine and what is not.
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Honda and Mazda do not have different engines for different markets (with two exceptions: Honda 1.0, Mazda 1.5)
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When we talk about car sales Mazda is 1/7 the size of Hyundai, and Honda is only slightly bigger then Suzuki.
So they do not have the funds to make different car / engine lines ups.
My scan tool has a database, we share common faults and rate engines based on our experience (engine with recommended or more frequent maintenance, under normal driving conditions) and here are the entities:
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Honda US-spec 1.5L engine is rather to last 150,000 miles.
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The US-spec Toyota DynamicForce is rated to last 130,000 miles. This is why I always recommend the 1.8L ZR-series that can easily last twice that.
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And the Mazda 2.0 SkyActiv is rated to last 190,000 miles. And I’ve seen them go that far without developing a single rattle, noise or anything.
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working for quite a while in a gearbox shop I know what cars last what and what gearbox develops what issues. Cause on every modern car, it’s likely that it’s last trip will be to me to diagnose the gearbox, and test it to say if it’s worth keeping or if the engine is worn and then it’s not worth repairing.
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This used to be the case before Toyota, Honda and Nissan released CVTs and now I get to see ones that are just over / still under the warranty period but the dealer can’t repair them properly. And the Germans releasing dual clutches that get fried and slip sometimes before 60k miles.
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What a wonderful world.
Fun question to ask, but I’m not sure where you are going with it. There are no cars out there that give the customer the option of a Toyota or Honda engine. And it hard to judge different motors that are used in different applications. There’s no true apples to apples.
for example, Toyota’s V8’s from the last 2 generations of Tundra have had very impressive reliability and extended durability. But what motors from Honda or Mazda would you compare them to?
