Which engine is more reliable, the Toyota engine in a Citroen C1 1000cc, 2016 or a ecoboost 1000cc engine in a 2014 Ford Focus.
Also adding @Dan to the discussion
@DayWalker thanks for letting me know of this question.
The Citroën C1 engine is a Toyota unit (to be honest the whole C1 is actually built by a Joint venture of Toyota and PSA, in many markets that car was even called Toyota AYGO)
The KR series engine is a reasonably well built engine, but the timing chain issues can be not cheap to fix.
overall, it’s a reasonably dependable 70 horsepower and Toyota claims that it will do 60mpg (no hybrid system, manual, AYGO).
they usually wear out after 120k miles but if you plan on driving much, just don’t get a city car…
the Ford EcoBoost, there are many different variants that all go by the “1.0L” designation.
in that generation of Ford Focus they had both the 125HP engine and the 100HP one.
both of these engines aren’t “city car engines” and tend to drive better and last slightly longer - not to forget to mention have a lot more power. Double the torque and 50-75% more horsepower while still being as efficient as the Citroën.
These engines are decent and they do tend to last 150k miles (the 125HP lasts slightly less).
you can’t really compare a car engine ment for mid-size cars with super tiny economy car engines, and overall: (TLDR;) reliability is better on the Toyota KR, longevity is better on the Ford.
The thing you should really look out for both on this is the horrid motorized manual on the Citroën, and the frankly bad dual clutch they used on these fords.
i recommend avoiding the MMT on the C1 at all costs. The powershift is just bad, it’s not a reliability mess with poor driving dynamics.
If I were you I’d just get a 1.6L manual 2014 Focus, these engines (Mazda derived) are almost indestructible and with a manual you don’t have to worry about the Powershift wearing out. Not to mention those engines last 200k-300k miles easily (although like the EcoBoost these do have timing belts)
umm which engine? There are probably hundreds.
Generally speaking Toyota is more reliable than the other two.
It is a 1.0 litre 3 cylinder engine 68hp
ah sorry I misread.
No worries, so out of the two cars the Citroen C1 with the Toyota engine will last the longest? I own the citroen and a family member owns the Ford
The Toyota engine.
The KR series? A screeching 70hp 90nm crap shoot that goes to 3.5k rpm to go 60mph? With the timing chain issues?
The Ford just tends to last more (while being a lot more powerful) because for that engine, overtaking at 80mph the highway doesn’t push it to its absolute limit.
Just because it has a Toyota badge on it, it doesn’t mean it’s the best option. Most Europeans learned it with the Auris.
I can't believe that I am saying this but in this case I would go with the Citroen.
I would go with the Toyota engine.
Toyota made some horrendous cars over the years, one of them was the Auris.
Terrible 1.33L engines, crappy MMT transmissions,
And the in 2012 they refreshed it with a poor hybrid system.
And then in 2018 they updated it and the 3rd generation Auris became the Corolla and that one isn’t that bad…
Also do we have a topic to share pictures of our cars? 👀
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@dan are 1.33L engines because they wear out too early? I'm aware of oil consumption. It seems American Toyotas last more miles than european ones kilometres.
In Europe we can get American spec Toyota’s, but outside these segments - there are way more competitive segments.
It’s just not engineered to last, it’s almost as if they’re built to fail.
It’s crazy cause they (1.33L) don’t have many common failures, everything inside fails almost exactly around 200,000km
@dan American spec Toyotas? Do you mean imported ones. I noticed European 1.8L engine in Avensis lasts just a little bit longer than 1.33L. It seems Toyota deliberately doesn't make them to last.
Where I live, you can go and buy a Toyota Corolla 1.8L with the CVT as you would in the US. Or a 2.4L Camry.
Toyota domestic and European models are pretty bad. Not to forget to mention what has been going on with the Toyota 6/8 speeds…
@dan that's cool since Europe offers only hybrid Camry and naturally aspirated engines are in extinction in current generations. Do you perhaps know if there is any good Toyota's engine in Europe? It seems diesels are a little bit better in terms of longevity.
Personally I would never ever buy a hybrid. There was a hybrid boom and then collapse when people saw how quickly they turn to nothing.
In other countries there are no hybrids at all, I have a friend in Lithuania and there they don’t have hybrids cause about 90% of cars are above 10 years of age.
It really depends.
As far as I know non of the best selling cars are hybrids…
Where I live there is 115% tax on regular cars (yes, that’s crazy.) and 25% on hybrids so hybrids cost a lot less.
@dan New non-hybrids cost more than hybrids? That's crazy. Where I live hybrids and EVs are advertised but also cost much more.
Yes but here the tax system is insane. It really does stink a lot.