Dear Scotty, I had to reach out. My 2012 Scion XB (with Automatic) with 138,000 miles on it was 4 quarts low on oil after only driving the car 2,000 miles after an oil change. After doing a bit of digging I found out about a somewhat hidden warranty extension program that Toyota did to avoid a class action suit from going through years ago. Although when you type in your VIN at Toyota.com there isn't any mention of it and I never got any sort of letter or notification when I visited the dealer. Our Scion is my families only car, and we can't afford at the prices that new cars are at to get a new one. Toyota says that the warranty expired in December 2021 and there is nothing they can do. I've been through numerous phone calls and they say I'm out of luck. After something like this, I can't say I'll be buying a Toyota anytime soon. Below is a final letter to the company detailing my issue with the car and the customer service experience. Wanted to share with you. Thanks for all of your videos and time. Have learned a lot watching your channel. ~ Kyle
Dear Toyota,
For the last year I have noticed that I have been low on oil during the end of the service interval
on my 2012 Scion XB. In March 2022 I checked my oil in the morning as I do regularly. I was
four quarts low on oil after being only 2,168 miles into my service interval. So I went to the
Toyota website to see if there were any new or outstanding recalls and all I found was a notice
about the TRD Brake Kit which I didn’t have. So I started doing some digging and it wasn’t until I
found the ScionXB forum that I learned there was a class action lawsuit for an oil consumption
issue impacting a multitude of Toyota vehicles including mine. I was perplexed because I never
received anything in the mail or was told when I visited my local dealership that this was an
issue potentially plaguing my vehicle. I noticed that some people on the forum were talking
about Toyotas remedy was to offer owners with up to 150,000 miles on their vehicle or 10 years
within the first date of use the necessary piston, rings, and valve seal repairs at no charge. Keep
in mind at this time our vehicle had 137,930 on the dash.
Learning of this issue I immediately called Toyota and explained to Andre the issue that I
thought I was having. Andre explained to me that although I was still under the mileage, that the
warranty extension had expired in December 2021. Andre went onto say that he could see that
my family and I have been loyal Toyota customers for many years and that the best thing to do
would be to have an oil consumption test performed and then once it was determined I was
burning oil, he could look into helping me. So I called my local dealership and set up the earliest
appointment (which was 4/9/22) . I paid the $153.14 and then was instructed to put 1,100 miles
on our car. On 4/14/22 I went back to the dealership to have my consumption evaluated and
after waiting at the dealership for over four hours a master technician found that my car had
failed. The service advisor, Rosie Pineyra informed me that the estimated cost of repairs would
be around $4,500.00 to our vehicle.
On 4/15/22 I spoke with a Tier 2 representative, Daniel and he informed me that the warranty
extension had expired and that he could not extend it. However, Daniel told me that now that I
had gotten the oil consumption test he could now conduct an investigation, call the dealership,
and see if there was any form of “goodwill” that could be extended to me. Daniel explained that
in these types of cases money is given to individuals towards repairs at dealerships. Daniel told
me that he was going to look into all of this and be in touch within two business days (4/19/22).
Tuesday 4/19 came and went and I did not hear from Daniel. I gave him the benefit of the doubt
that he was busy and that he would reach out when he had time. 4/26 rolled around and I still
had not heard anything from Daniel so I called him. When I finally got in touch with Daniel he
had little to no recollection of our conversation and it was clear that he did not take adequate
notes when I had spoken to him prior. In addition, he had not called the dealership nor had he
looked into any “goodwill” as he had assured me. It was becoming very apparent to me that his
primary focus on 4/15/22 was to de-escalate the situation and get me off the phone. Daniel
seemed shaken and not sure what to say other than there was nothing he could do for me.
I then requested that Daniel have his supervisor, Jeremy, give me a call. When I spoke with
Jeremy he said he was sorry but he would have never told me to get an oil consumption test
and would have never alluded to any sort of goodwill. Jeremy told me he would look into things
from a managerial standpoint but that there was nothing he could do for me. Now in my opinion
this is where brand loyalty lives or dies. In this case, my entire family has been incredibly loyal to
the Toyota brand. My father, mother, sister and I all have owned numerous Toyotas and
currently own Toyotas. Afterall, Toyota stands on the values of longevity and quality in their cars;
cars that will outlast and out mileage nearly every competitor. However, my situation is incredibly
unnerving given the entire scope of what I have had to deal with over the last few months and
Toyotas willingness to wash its hands of it all. What really gets me is that in 2011 Toyota issued
their single bulletin via mail stating that some Scion XBs from 2008-2009 had these defective
parts (in this case pistons). And yet those defective parts despite having a known issue
continued to be put in vehicles that were sold, including my 2012 Scion XB. To make matters
worse, despite all of the technology in the world today, I never received that paper bulletin, nor
an email, nor a heads up from a service manager that this was an issue I should look into. I do
however, get emails, texts, and phone calls regularly asking if I want to sell my car or if I want to
buy another Toyota.
I will leave you with this. Our 2012 Scion XB is my family’s car at the moment. It has treated us
well up until this point. One would think that our car should last another 50 to 100,000 miles.
However, given this oil consumption issue, it is unlikely that it will ever live up to the standards
Toyota relies upon to sell thousands of cars per day. I have a young family who is quickly
outgrowing our car. There will come a time in the near future where my wife and I must
purchase a new car. And yet given this situation I will think twice about ever buying another
Toyota. It truly saddens me but I don’t believe Toyota cares. Thank you for your time.
As far as info on the issue with your car:
That's the Toyota 2.4L AZ engine, typical for these.
Truly a horrid engine, the early ones would sheer the threads for the head-bolts, the later ones burned oil. All of them had cylinder warping, bad timing chains, and plastic gears for the balancing shafts.
Try to find a cheap junkyard engine, a lot of junkyards will warranty the engine. should be under $500 for the engine incl. a warranty and about $500 to install it (BUT prices REALLY depend on where you live, shop around - it might be significantly more in your area)
In general on "Brand reliability and loyalty":
There is no such thing as "Brand Reliability", all brands have their quality all over the place, some average higher, some average lower.
And what I really do not understand is "Brand Loyalty" why would you be loyal to a corporation? It's not as if a brand is loyal to you... It's always a good idea to buy whatever's the most reliable car on the market, with the features that fit you - regardless of the badge on the hood.
Well said. They're only "loyal" to your money. And often not even then.
I understand your frustration but realize that every car manufacturer makes mistakes, but the frequency of the mistakes and how they address the issue (or at least how they stay behind their products) are different. Amongst the car manufacturers, I still think Toyota makes less mistakes considering the overal picture.
Yeah unfortunately you got the one with the crappy engine and yeah they put cut off dates on the stuff they're kind of swines about that. On the other hand if you keep adding oil my grandson has one of those he drives all over the place he just carries a gallon of oil in the back and adds oil as he needs to it still runs okay. But since it wasn't an actual recall yeah there's nothing you can do recalls last forever but the voluntary ones they're just whatever stipulations the company wants to put on it
Thanks Scotty, appreciate the insight. It's reassuring to know that your grandson just keeps feeding his and it keeps going. Do you think it's worth me giving 505CRO Oil Treatment a try on my next oil change? I watched your video yesterday on it and feel as though it might be worth giving it a shot. Hope I can find the stuff, everywhere I've looked doesn't seem to have it in stock. Thanks again for everything!
Just out of curiosity:
How frequent you have changed the oil?
Hi Yaser,
I've always changed my oil every 5,000 miles. There was a span of maybe one or two years where an AMSOIL guy sold me on the 10K oil. But After a couple intervals and talking to some people that were smarter than me I abandoned it and went back to every 5,000.
I saw the video on Scotty's channel where he used oil engine treatment on a vehicle (I believe the same motor) that was having a similar issue. Was thinking I'd give that a try on my next service.
Thanks for the reply. It's a good idea to use the oil cleaner. Hopefully it works.
As everyone said any manufacturer can have issues but what matters is which one has less issues or less mistakes. For example take Hyundai vs. Toyota; even though you are having problems with your car well it's still a lot less and much less prevalent compared to if it was a Hyundai product. It definitely does leave a sour taste but you have to consider the overall reliability and quality.
Simple solution: buy used Toyotas from private sellers and never give the Toyota corporation a dime of your money again
And no you don't have to go for used so you don't give Toyota corporation your money. Still buy new Toyota or Honda if you like; just do your research to see if there is any known issue with the car you are considering and then go ahead with the purchase. These two manufacturers do make quality cars in general.
There will come a time in the near future where my wife and I must purchase a new car.
You will be disappointed by modern vehicles. All of the automakers have issues - each worse than the other. It can even be argued almost all of them are past peak reliability; but if you grade on a curve Toyota, Honda, Mazda, and Subaru are your best bet. Toyota still edges out over Honda, Mazda, and Subaru in terms of reliability and longevity.
I'm no car expert but it seems ANYTIME I've heard of a defect in a new Toyota release they have done anything BUT put the customer first.
Simple solution: buy used Toyotas from private sellers and never give the Toyota corporation a dime of your money again
Try performing a BG Engine Performance Restoration service. It will not help in the long run, but you wont have to add as much oil as you are adding now.
You have to call mechanics in your area and ask them if they carry it. Or try Walmart.
40$ for the two cans of BG EPR (BG 109) and BG MOA (oil additive)
No oil additive will ever “replenish” worn piston rings.
There a treatment for stuck oil rings but actual professional ones are not in the form of an additive nor is it that affective in most cases.
(Ask Kia mechanics, they’re instructed to try that first if an engine begins to consume more than allowed by the manual)
Not to derail the thread by I bought a Lexus IS220D with a 2AD-FHV engine that's know to have head gasket problems. Same thing with the mileage and years - its only got 60,000 miles on it but 16 years old. I think thy did a extended warranty at £1,500 but the car had to be less than 10 years old.
Not much help, but I'd never put any money into car dealerships ever. They always get you on the technicalities. And when they run out of technicalities and lawyers they just blame that guy over there.
Honda > Toyota