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Before the chip shortage was even in full swing, I test drove the new Ford Expedition to see if they made any improvements. The odometer literally read 1,000 miles and the transmission already acted weird. The guy who I drove with from the dealership said that's normal. He mentioned that he's been working with ford for over 20 years and he never experienced a problem like this. 

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Yeah, I would not own any Ford product with that 10-speed, especially if you plan to keep your vehicles forever.  Jury is out on the longevity of that transmission.

And what is with “That’s normal” that you hear all too often these days?

It's the only thing that dealers can get away with. If they say to non-car people which is about a majority of people here, then the non-car people won't have to worry and then they'll just buy the car for looks purposes.


Just wait until the 2023 model year for the year after the refresh or buy a 2019 which is the most reliable year. How was the transmission acting? If you’re not 100% confident in the Expedition I would recommend also checking out that Jeep Wagoneer since it has everything a Navigator would for the fraction of the price and the transmission is a lot more reliable than the 10 speed and Jeep says reliability was a huge concern when designing but it’s also a Chrysler.

When I test drove it, it skipped some gears while driving on the highway. You've got give Chrysler credit, the ZF 8-speed is way better than the 10-speed. I even test drove not the Jeep Wagoneer but the older Grand Cherokee with that transmission and it was very smooth while driving.

That actually is normal and Ford had to program it to do that because it has so much gears. Here’s the video by Ford about it:
But regardless Ford should’ve developed a 8 speed instead. The 10 speed is way to complicated and the chip shortage makes it even worse

I feel like 10 gears is too many. Somehow, I don't feel comfortable skipping gears while driving. I'm used to the 8-speed.


Those 10R80's had a few issues with age, but not with 1,000 miles.

If it feels 'weird' it was probably just you not used to the truck's specifics.

Modern transmissions program themselves to the driver. I'm not sure if the 10R80's do specifically, but I can't imagine a transmission going out on a brand new truck like that.

Ford's and GM's 10-speed transmission is the worst new transmission out there. It should not have problems even with 1k miles on the odometer.


You know honestly if Ford would just take accountability and admit then fix the issues and perfect the 10R80 I really think it could be a decent transmission. The problem these days is the manufacturers do no kind of real long term testing on these motors or transmissions. Rather they put it out and let the consumers do the long term testing and when they are constantly going in and paying for these repairs they take the data on what’s failing the most and then slowly fix the issue or in some cases don’t at all. The 3.5 Ecoboost is a prime example. 

And then people wonder why Toyota takes longer than others to roll out newer technology (including powertrain and EVs) and accuse them of being dinosaurs badly due for an update.  I like their current approach to their Aisin 10-speed:  they rolled it out in 2018 on the flagship LC500 luxury coupe and LS500 luxury sedans and slowly made updates (software) to them overtime, and no real issues so far.  I believe those transmissions will make their way into the new Toyota Tundra (not 100% but I would not be surprised), but by then they would have at least been tested over 4 years (granted each vehicle application will require tweaks to make them work optimally).

@daywalker you’re 100% correct, the Japanese get it, if it’s not broke and it’s proven why change? Well Americans opinions on what reliability is has changed. Also Americans LOVE tech an gadgets and crap. We love trying to look better than each other. Image means everything to Americans and were willing to go into droves of debt to do it. So to the average American the Tundra is boring cause no major changes (until now).

There was no problems with it. The user just wasn’t used to the transmission’s programming/ behavior. That’s all.


The 10-speed on my 2018 F150 died completely at 6k miles. 

The 10-speed in my 2020 Accord 2.0T has run flawless for 40k miles.

10 speeds is not the problem. Poor quality control and cheap parts is the problem.

Many transmissions have the same speeds but does that make them the same? Hell no. You could have a 6 speed escape transmission which is decent or you could have a 6 speed Cherokee transmission which is pretty much gurenteed to break. The Honda 10 speed is very different from the Ford/GM transmission end of story. That was also one of the first model years for the 10 speed and typically with Ford’s first year is unreliable but the next model year is one of the most reliable cars in the industry. But clearly GM screwed things up when designing it. Idk why Ford thought it was a good idea to team up with those clowns but they did it regardless.

@possible_xj_owner If I recall, Ford and GM teamed up to develop the 9-speed and 10-speed transmissions with Ford LEADING the effort on the 10-speed and GM leading the effort on the 9-speed. Scotty mentioned that too before. Anyhow, Ford ended not using the GM-led 9-speed automatic transmission: good thing since it’s caused issues in many GM vehicles. But the 10-speed: Ford led the development of it so they are to blame for the brunt of it. I would not recommend any Ford/GM 10-speed: jury still out on its longevity but the downhill path that both companies have been on for years I am not holding my breath on the 10-speeds’ longevity.


Also based on that mileage I guarantee it was a rental or loaner so the people who had it before probably drove it hard  or did something to it since renters typically don’t care as much as people who actually owned it


Good gravy, are we all headed to automotive hell?

Ford had a good package in the 4.9 in line 6 and a 4 speed auto. Why didn't they just keep it?

Or at least let you order a new truck the way you want it?

They could not keep it in part due to ever stringent CAFE standards, emissions, trying to keep up with the competition, and also consumer expectations.  Even (slower to adopt new technology) Toyota had to eventually move to higher gear transmissions and turbocharged engines.

Because 4 speeds are awful for mpg, towing, engine wear, acceleration, comfort, and performance, 6 speeds are considered outdated and the absolute bare minimum. They should’ve just stayed away from GM and built it on their own completely and made a 8 speed instead since those seem to be the sweet spot in transmissions.

@possible_xj_owner I take simplicity any day over complexity: so 6-speed > 8-speed > 9-speed/10-speed. Even Toyota 8-speeds will not last as long as their 6-speeds or 4-speeds.