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Hi Scotty,

I’m considering buying a 7 seater SUV and with respect to their dependability only, which one is better in your opinion - Kia Sorento 2.4L FWD or Honda CR-V 1.5LT AWD? Both are 2019 model with up to 35,000 miles, with automatic transmission, privately held and well maintained.

In general, Honda is more dependable than Kia, but this specific CR-V is turbocharged and AWD which is not really necessary for my personal needs.

What do you think?

Thank you very much for your help:)


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I would buy the worst Honda before I bought the best Kia.


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Posted by: @xerox1 

I’m from Israel

The local Kia Sorento has a GDi engine, a terrible one.

Realize that while in Korea, Europe, and the US - these engines were recalled, here we got nothing.

This engine is just an absolute nightmare, avoid it because NO ONE will be able to repair it and it'll need it.

There's a reason why only after 3 years it's worth less than a Corolla.

 

As far as the Honda CRV - again, bad injectors, oil dilution, at best a mediocre CVT, and no one to fix it.

 

I actually can not recommend any new 7 seater, all of them are not 'great at' best.

 

If I'd have a gun to my head and the bullet wouldn't be an option,

and I'd have to get a 7 seater SUV it'd be a Peugeot 5008 diesel or a Skoda Kodiaq diesel.

The Skoda has a DSG and it's generally troublesome, and the Peugeot is not as bad as most but it's still a Peugeot...

 

As far as non-SUVs, Maybe a Prius Plus if you can find one or a Citroën C4 Picasso (if you can find a 2.0 diesel without the early jerky transmissions)


@dan Is oil dilution still an issue in 2019 model and above? Also, is it relevant for the not-too-cold Israeli winter?
What about the AWD? Do you know if that’s a problematic mechanism in this car?


> "Is oil dilution still an issue in 2019 model and above?"
According to Honda "no", according to owner's "yes":
https://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/CR-V/2019/engine/
But that engine has other worrying issues, like this.
https://carkiller.com/scottykilmer/qa/honda-accord-stops-accelerating/
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> "Also, is it relevant for the not-too-cold Israeli winter?"
Oil dilution happens almost at any temperature, it's not like Toyota's water intrusion we don't have to worry about.
I'd be more worried about city driving, jams, and other things that'll put strain on the CVT.
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> "Do you know if that’s a problematic mechanism in this car?"
As far as I know, it's fine. I've never heard of AWD issues on any reasonably new Honda.


@dan Many thanks for your help:)


@dan I’m still looking for a 7 seater SUV and couldn’t find a decent one. So the current options are Skoda Kodiaq/Kia Sorento/VW Tiguan allspace, all brand new petrol versions.
I see you recommended the diesel versions of Kodiaq/5008 but I don’t drive enough mileage to justify it IMO. Also diesel is much less popular here.
So WDYT? Is the petrol Kodiaq worth it?
BTW also the new Mitsubishi Outlander was an option but the Kodiaq is better for me because I need to install 3 safety seats in the second row and it is wider.


The Tiguan and the Kodiaq are the same car - the petrol tends to be horrid.
On foreign forums I see a lot of complaints of about a thing called "the kangaroo effect", basically the car has a lot of trouble shifting the DSG in 1st and 2nd. Some cars with the engine never do it, some cars always do it - as it seems there's just a defect with some units but VW refuses to acknowledge that it's not "just software".
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As far as the diesels, although European diesels tend to be better than their petrols - it's still an overly complex motor with lots of emissions tech strapped to it.
But generally, similar to the VW DSG, Diesels also aren't for lots of city driving or for sitting in traffic jams.
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The Peugeot has issues with the NOx filters, but the engine overall tends to be solid, and so is the transmission.
It's not as good as PSA diesels used to have about 5 yeas ago, they had bulletproof engines and transmissions.
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And as far as the VW, initial reliability is higher but the DSG can require repair before 150k, and after 200k km the emissions systems (DPF, EGR) begin to breakdown rapidly.
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The Mitsubishi Outlander is built by Renault-Nissan with a Jatco CVT - essentially it's just a Nissan X-Trail.
The 2.5L is an interesting one as it's quite reliable (Although it's a Nissan engine, it has the issues a VW would typically have like intake valve deposits), but the CVT is even worse than a DSG and overall reliability seems spotty.
Owners don't seem to happy, but it seems (marginally) better than European competitors.
(Just don't expect Toyota reliability out of it, after all, it's a big heavy Renualt-Nissan)
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And as far as the Sorrento, It's not the kind of Kia we are used to - it's the kind of kia most forum members know.
There's a thread on North American market Hyundai-Kia products: https://carkiller.com/scottykilmer/qa/HMG
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/the-least-reliable-kia-models-still-recommended-by-consumer-reports/
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These Euro6 complaint cars are just REALLY not what cars used to be,
Personally, if I had to get one, I'd go for the Peugeot 5008 (although Peugeot will stop making non-EVs in 2 years), the Diesel Skoda is alright if you're fine with a DSG, and the Outlander is not great (not what the outlander used to be when it was actually designed by Mitsubishi and not Renualt-Nissan) but doesn't have drivability issues so it's not too bad overall.


@dan Thanks for the detailed explanations. After all I think I’ll buy the 1.5L Kodiaq petrol because the Sorento is much more expensive and I don’t think it is worth it.


Well you have been warned about the VW “Kangaroo effect” and that the powertrain is genuinely horrid!
https://youtu.be/SAAjwKHmbM0

(Also happens with DSG)
It’s your choice but the petrol skoda is the last car I’d consider… There’s a lot of risk with that engine.


@dan I see your point. Do you have any idea how come this Kodiaq is so popular here despite being known for these issues? Is it the low price only or is there anything else I missed?


People are willing to overlook these kinds of things with Skoda, They're just nice to drive.
They're not that terrible, but they're definitely some of the least well built cars around.
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But yeah as far as quality, Here's a video from a local magazine (Although Auto magazine are total crooks)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItKOktIhO6g
Although this young, these usually only shift hard or don't respond quickly until warmed up.
(online there are claims that some units are defective and shift hard regardless of repair attempts)
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It's mostly just mediocre - if you're lucky it'll only depreciate, burn oil, and require some transmission later.


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TMK, the CR-V is NOT a seven seater. The only Honda seven seater SUV is a Honda Pilot. 

 


I’m from Israel and here a 7 seat version of CR-V was available from 2019 to 2021. It is still available in other countries like Australia AFAIK.


Oh who that is pretty cool. Go with the CR-V then.

Any chance you have a link to the version of the CR-V you have? I would love to see it.


Found one! That’s a pretty cool vehicle. Wish we had that option here.


Just adding that a Honda Pilot is $110k around here, so an option for a 7 seater for "only" $70k seams reasonable...
(instead of $38k and $27k respectively like in non """welfare""" states 😢)


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Posted by: @xerox1

Kia Sorento ... 2019 model

You mean these piles of junk?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kocrZ3n0nk

 

Try searching the forum and Scotty's channel.

 

https://carkiller.com/scottykilmer/postid/217377/

https://carkiller.com/scottykilmer/qa/2021-kia-sorento-accelerator-problem/

https://carkiller.com/scottykilmer/qa/kia-sorento-from-hell/

 


Thanks for the references. I think I’ll buy the Honda despite being turbocharged and AWD.


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I would get the Honda CR-V over the Kia Sorento because Honda perfected some of the problems over time. For the oil you should use, use the GF-6 oil


What about the AWD? Do you know if that’s a problematic mechanism in the CR-V?


not that I've heard. Just make sure you read your manual, maintain it regularly (ignore claims of "lifetime fluid") and don't abuse it (not for off-road use. Don't floor the accelerator when it's slipping)


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